# This in-game advertisement is shameful, CCP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 22, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303 "2021-06-22T16:06:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/233 "2021-07-02T17:26:31Z")
The bitter vets _are_ the whales. New players barely spend anything on games (the industry conversion rate is around 2%). If you take a look at aggregators of public opinion like Steam, you’ll see **heavy** dissatisfaction with CCP’s monetization (or perception of such) from new players. There are whales among new players for sure, but old players, especially for a game that has existed this long, tend to have established careers and plenty of pocket money to spend on stupid ■■■■ like this. CCP isn’t trying to replace their player base; they’re trying to _double-dip_ from both demographics, and they’re able to do this because they know that no matter how much they spit in the faces of the veterans, they’re invested so much into this game that they’ll let CCP get away with pretty much anything. Trust me, if the old players actually started leaving in any considerable amounts, you’d hear CCP management terror-shitting themselves from California. But that’s just not going to happen, because… /me buys $1,000 of PLEX …they got this ■■■■ on lockdown. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/234 "2021-07-02T17:59:18Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Come on people. There’s plenty of legit behavior to work yourselves into a lather over without all this bombastic sky-is-fallling BS. Can’t you even _pretend_ to get annoyed? It is like trying to troll the Dalai Lama with you. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/235 "2021-07-02T18:01:56Z")
They give him way too many pills for that to be possible. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/236 "2021-07-02T18:09:59Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Can’t you even _pretend_ to get annoyed? It is like trying to troll the Dalai Lama with you. ok let me try ■■■■ you ms @Xeux … you with your glasses and your … red lipstick… that … that… o god i cant… it shines more than the most beautiful ruby 😢 ill be alright 😭 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/237 "2021-07-02T18:26:06Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Can’t you even _pretend_ to get annoyed? I was an influencer in another life. Even if you are raging inside, you never show it. And if you are showing anger, it’s theatre to push someone’s buttons. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/238 "2021-07-02T18:28:05Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > they’re invested so much into this game that they’ll let CCP get away with pretty much anything. Not exactly true, I extracted 120mil sp each from 2 toons and gave all the isk away just to have 0 incentive to come back and I’ve been playing since 2007 and have payed a but load of money to ccp already over the years. About the price of 42 Full game titles, companies that create those titles take a few years to develop them. So for sure dev time invested compared to monthly sub’s is already pretty damn good income. For them to sell skins and stuff is understandable as a way for people that love the game to support the developers more. But blatantly shoving ad’s everywhere constantly on a subscription game is sacrilege. The first game that I’ve ever seen go down this route is 9 dragon’s and it got worse over time to the point where they now play real life adverts on the side of your screen while you play. If you guys want a game that you can respect and play many years from now you need to converse now with CCP so they can put a stop to it before it gets out of hand. For me its too late already I have already given up on Eve it was great for many many years. So the choice is your’s white knight CCP now and watch the game get worse or stand up to CCP and help them get Eve back on track referring mostly to you Mr Epeen. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/239 "2021-07-02T18:30:51Z")
> [@Ember\_Fireheart](#): > > converse now with CCP CCP doesn’t converse with players. They sort-of converse with the CSM, but neither of them seems to think there is a problem. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/240 "2021-07-02T18:31:15Z")
> [@Ember\_Fireheart](#): > > But blatantly shoving ad’s everywhere constantly on a subscription game is sacrilege. agree sell skins,sell plex , stop with the F2P mobile BS ---
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/241 "2021-07-02T18:31:37Z")
They read the forum’s but are not allowed to answer, so if enough people complain then CCP will do something about it. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/242 "2021-07-02T18:32:25Z")
> [@Ember\_Fireheart](#): > > I extracted 120mil sp each from 2 toons and gave all the isk away just to have 0 incentive to come back But still posting in the forum. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/243 "2021-07-02T18:32:35Z")
Curiosity, you are the same are you not? :] even thou you stopped years ago? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/244 "2021-07-02T18:33:29Z")
> [@Ember\_Fireheart](#): > > They read the forum’s but are not allowed to answer, so if enough people complain then CCP will do something about it. They do not care about the forums - and they do not care about what is posted here. They will continue their cash grab all the way down. ---
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/245 "2021-07-02T18:43:43Z")
They have a responsibility to care thou as a company. Let’s make 2 alternate realities quickly for the future. 1a. They escalate these ad’s and try get the most out of the game that they can because they think the ship is sinking. = The players loose hope in not only Eve but also CCP and any game they make in the future will be met with distrust and the players will be unwilling to invest time into it. 1b. They slowly escalate the ad’s but players still play Eve for many years to come and CCP only loose a portion of the player base. 2a. CCP apologizes for the add’s but say that they need the income to survive because of the company being bought out for much more than subscriptions alone can make up for in many years worth of development. So instead make actual content additions to the game to inspire people to play again and make skin’s 1/5th of the price and ask that players buy more skin’s to support them in hope that by having skins that are much cheaper 200x more people actually buy them (as a player I probably would have spent a lot more on skins if they where a lot cheaper not sure if its just me thou probably not (_More bang for the buck even thou CCP looses nothing by more people having skins_)). Players feel respected and are more willing to invest into a game with more than just time but money as well to help CCP grow. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/246 "2021-07-02T18:53:43Z")
Managers care about their own egos and the numbers for the current quarter. They don’t have any interest in discussing alternative futures. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/247 "2021-07-02T18:54:29Z")
> [@Ember\_Fireheart](#): > > Not exactly true, I extracted 120mil sp each from 2 toons and gave all the isk away just to have 0 incentive to come back and I’ve been playing since 2007 and have payed a but load of money to ccp already over the years. Five bucks says you’ll be back. > [@Ember\_Fireheart](#): > > If you guys want a game that you can respect and play many years from now you need to converse now with CCP so they can put a stop to it before it gets out of hand. We tried doing that like a _decade_ ago during that whole $800 jeans fiasco, and if it didn’t work _then_, it sure as hell won’t work _now_. > [@Ember\_Fireheart](#): > > 1a. They escalate these ad’s and try get the most out of the game that they can because they think the ship is sinking. = The players loose hope in not only Eve but also CCP and any game they make in the future will be met with distrust and the players will be unwilling to invest time into it. History has shown that a bad reputation in the video game industry means jack ■■■■. Case in point: look up Sergey Titov and how he makes millions from every new project he touches despite almost single-handedly destroying the survival genre, or all of the borderline-criminal stuff EA and Ubisoft have done. Most gamers are some of least activism-minded people on earth. They don’t care about anything with regard to their hobby aside from having it make _them_ feel good. ---
**Author:** ![Ferdinand\_II\_Echerie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferdinand_ii_echerie/32/311482_2.png) [@Ferdinand\_II\_Echerie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferdinand_II_Echerie)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/248 "2021-07-02T23:30:58Z")
Weirdly, I doesn’t get much ads, just the news, but I guess I’m just lucky ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2021, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/249 "2021-07-02T23:45:41Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Two weeks is not a trend. I bet you’re one of those people that uses weather to argue about climate. It was cold the last two weeks so global warming is a conspiracy theory. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/8/2/282a3caafc4aef61fd23f566251168f357ea4b14.jpeg) I mean, I’m not going to stop playing or anything. And it is likely due, at least in part, to real world events. However, this has been a rather steep and prolonged decline (24% decline in PCU between Sunday May 16 and Sunday June 27th). In fact, the dip is now bigger and steeper than the dip associated with the drifter invasion and blackout. And it is considerably worse than the decline in player numbers that is being seen in other games. Also, why read people complaining about monetization when you can instead listen to people complaining. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/6/a/26a7bf942826b335cd858ceeb01c2eca812d61b6.jpeg "25min of me Complaining About Monetization") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXIVTmtraW4) ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/250 "2021-07-03T00:24:38Z")
But you can also find examples of anti-consumer practices having serious financial ramifications for companies as well. Don’t get me wrong, a sucker is born every minute, but so many gamers have been burnt that a lot of them have actually stopped buying into the hype machines, getting the pre-orders, and all that. I just wish that more gamers would become savvy consumers. Then maybe the gaming industry might have to return to a business model of… idk… making great games that people actually want to play. ---
**Author:** ![Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tursiops_truncatus/32/232426_2.png) [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tursiops_Truncatus)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/251 "2021-07-03T09:37:29Z")
CCP and CSM 16 turned EVE into a toxic pile of trash that is no longer fun for anyone to play. Stop bitching about the game, the DEVS, and CSM if you still log in and pay for the game. Logging in and paying for the game is why CCP wont listen to the customers. The customers have the power to change EVE online and CCP will bend to the demands of the customers if you all would just stop logging in and stop paying for the game. CCP would roll back ever change made in less than 5 minutes if you all stop logging in and paying for the game. Bitching at CCP on these forums wont fix a dam thing. Smack Rattati and the rest of the, no more fun in EVE, DEVS at CCP in the mouth by never logging in again and paying for EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303/252 "2021-07-03T11:45:01Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > /me buys $1,000 of PLEX Well until that changes from a players perspective, no one has any right to think for themselves nor complain. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-in-game-advertisement-is-shameful-ccp/317303.md?page=12)