# This is why ganked freighter pilots deserve zero sympathy **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [April 8, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630 "2018-04-08T22:54:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/248 "2018-05-11T15:50:20Z")
A freighter is locked within 1 tick regardless of scan res. A webber can have lag, which happens regularly to me and which makes the locking process get stuck in the last split second for up to 3 seconds. Even without lag, the ideal scenario is still 5 ticks. How am I supposed to get to my webber client? 2 monitors? Which means moving the mouse over to the other screen across 2 monitors? That surely takes less time than alt tabbing with the mouse cursor placed where my watch list is. šŸ¤” I am the only one on their overview as well because they have overviews that only show freighters. šŸ™„ ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/249 "2018-05-11T15:53:50Z")
a freighter is not locked in one tick regardless 523mm takes 1.11 seconds to lock a 10k sig > [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > How am I supposed to get to my webber client? 2 monitors? almost like a second machine would work. should look into friends. > [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > I am the only one on their overview as well because they have overviews that only show freighters. this is why i said harder. donā€™t jump unless you are jumping with another freighter. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/250 "2018-05-11T15:59:21Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > What exactly is meant by ā€˜enter warp in 10sā€™, when does this time interval start and end ? To use a MWD to speed up the entry to warp you: 1. click ā€˜warp toā€™ (or ā€˜jumpā€™) to start the aligning process 2. immediately after, you activate your MWD and then immediately deactivate it 3. the MWD will run its full cycle, that is 10s, and at the end of this cycle shut off reducing your max speed, and your ship will immediately enter warp This only works of course if you are not pointed or bumped out of alignment, or hit another object. I could explain the reasons why this works (and is related to the reasons you can web a freighter into warp), but it is covered in this Eve Uni article: [https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Advanced\_piloting\_techniques#Speed\_and\_Alignment\_tricks](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Advanced_piloting_techniques#Speed_and_Alignment_tricks) ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/251 "2018-05-11T16:01:10Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > almost like a second machine would work. should look into friends. šŸ¤” 2 computers for webbing? Please give me your meds, I want to experience these trips, too. > [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > this is why i said harder. donā€™t jump unless you are jumping with another freighter. Of course, I will just hang out in a system and wait for other freighters to come by. Because I have nothing better to do. šŸ™„ ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/252 "2018-05-11T16:02:51Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > 2 computers for webbing? Please give me your meds, I want to experience these trips, too. you seemed to miss a key part there > [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > Of course, I will just hang out in a system and wait for other freighters to come by. Because I have nothing better to do. you only have to do it if there is a camp on the other sideā€¦ and its not like it takes long for freighters to pass by on the gates that are camped ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/253 "2018-05-11T16:05:06Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > you seemed to miss a key part there No, I do not see any point at all in this lunacy. > [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > you only have to do it if there is a camp on the other sideā€¦ and its not like it takes long for freighters to pass by on the gates that are camped Ah, yes, the famous 3rd account. Great stuff. One way or another, though, what you suggest does not work as you believe it does. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/254 "2018-05-11T16:06:18Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > No, I do not see any point at all in this lunacy. you heard it hear folks another freighter pilot convinced friends are lunacy > [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > Ah, yes, the famous 3rd account. Great stuff. i meanā€¦ because you canā€™t scout with the webā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/255 "2018-05-11T16:10:25Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > you heard it hear folks another freighter pilot convinced friends are lunacy A friend makes all the difference, of course. Because that friend is not subject to lag and it reduces the tick count maybe by 1 if you are really lucky, or increases the count because of not paying attention. Not to mention that escorting a freighter is such a fulfilling and enjoyable task. Good idea. Goes to show that you have very little insight into webbing. > [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > i meanā€¦ because you canā€™t scout with the webā€¦ If I scout with the webber, the freigther is in warp to the gate while the webber waits on the gate. Or do you maybe suggest I web the freigther to a station or citadel first? What a great idea, I have nothing better to do with my time. šŸ‘ ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/256 "2018-05-11T16:13:14Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > A friend makes all the difference, of course. Because that friend is not subject to lag and it reduces the tick count maybe by 1 if you are really lucky, or increases the count because of not paying attention. Good idea. Goes to show that you have very little insight into webbing. ā€¦ it literally puts him in the same position as the blackbird only he actually has a one tick lock > [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > If I scout with the webber, the freigther is in warp to the gate while the webber waits on the gate. Or do you maybe suggest I web the freigther to a station or citadel first? What a great idea, I have nothing better to do with my time. šŸ‘ what? web the freighter to the gate. warp the webber jump the webber see if its clear if not donā€™t jump the freighter. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/257 "2018-05-11T16:14:49Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > ā€¦ it literally puts him in the same position as the blackbird only he actually has a one tick lock Thatā€™s where you are wrong. > [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > what? web the freighter to the gate. warp the webber jump the webber see if its clear if not donā€™t jump the freighter. And then what? Your freigther sits on the other side and if the webber finds something nasty on the other side, the freighter takes ages to warp off because jumping the webber back and insta webbing is not possible because of the freigtherā€™s movement vector from the previous warp. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/258 "2018-05-11T16:16:04Z")
ā€¦ a slow align time in that situation is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/259 "2018-05-11T16:16:51Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > Thatā€™s where you are wrong. how exactlyā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/260 "2018-05-11T16:19:30Z")
Yes, it is because by following your suggestion I just trapped myself and a bumper can easily pick me off. Thank you. > [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > how exactlyā€¦ Because that friend is most likely in the same geographical location as I am and thus has the same potential lag issue as my alt. Just as one example. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/261 "2018-05-11T16:21:21Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > Yes, it is because by following your suggestion I just trapped myself and a bumper can easily pick me off. Thank you. ā€¦ thatā€™s not how that works > [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > Because that friend is most likely in the same geographical location as I am and thus has the same potential lag issue as my alt. Just as one example. how exactly? also you need to have a ping of over 500 to see any lag with how eves ticks work ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/262 "2018-05-11T16:23:50Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > how exactly? also you need to have a ping of over 500 to see any lag with how eves ticks work Tell that my webber alt who regularly keeps locking my freigther for 3 seconds, and in other instances for only 1 second. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/263 "2018-05-11T16:25:46Z")
then you have a ping of well over 500ā€¦ and you still havenā€™t explained why your friend would be more likely to be geographically close to you ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/264 "2018-05-11T16:27:49Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > then you have a ping of well over 500ā€¦ My ping hovers around 30-40 ms. > [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > and you still havenā€™t explained why your friend would be more likely to be geographically close to you Because they are a friend? Or do you think I would let a random numpty in my corp web me? ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/265 "2018-05-11T16:29:46Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > My ping hovers around 30-40 ms. then you are not getting server lagā€¦ thatā€™s how ticks work so long as you can send and receive the packet in under a second you have no lag. > [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > Because they are a friend? Or do you think I would let a random numpty in my corp web me? you still havenā€™t explained how that equates to them being near you geographically. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/266 "2018-05-11T16:30:59Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > thatā€™s exactly how ticks workā€¦ Thatā€™s how they generally work, but my experience with lag on my webber speaks conclusive, factual evidence against your assertions. > [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > thatā€™s a pretty closed minded attitude you have there You are one to talk about ā€œclosed mindednessā€. šŸ¤£ Regardless of closed-mindedness, I am not going to expose a ā€œfriendā€ to the joys of freightering because it is an utterly unrewarding, unenjoyable under normal circumstances, and a devastating activity if something goes wrong. And since a friend cannot significantly or at all improve the above described and proved procedure of webbing, there is no need for it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/267 "2018-05-11T16:33:07Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > Goes to show that you have little experience with this. thatā€™s exactly how ticks workā€¦ > [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > Thatā€™s how friends work. Not remote friends in some other country. Actual friends close to your home. thatā€™s a pretty closed minded attitude you have there [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630.md?page=14)