# This is why ganked freighter pilots deserve zero sympathy **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [April 8, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630 "2018-04-08T22:54:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/268 "2018-05-11T16:38:13Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > That’s how they generally work, but my experience with lag on my webber speaks conclusive, factual evidence against your assertions. i think you need to look up the definitions of factual and anecdotal. > [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > I am not going to expose a “friend” to the joys of freightering then don’t complain that those using friends beat you ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/269 "2018-05-11T16:41:59Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > i think you need to look up the definitions of factual and anecdotal. You’d do well to do that as I have more than just anecdotal evidence for my assertions whereas you have nothing but unsubstantiated counters. 😉 > [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > then don’t complain that those using friends beat you I am not complaining. But how about some proof? Show me in a video where you friend webber beats an actual, not staged suicide gank attempt against you. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/270 "2018-05-11T16:43:44Z")
… well i mean i have never once lost a freighter to a gank in over a decade of regularly flying them. and no you have done nothing but provide claims to anecdotal evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/271 "2018-05-11T17:16:42Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > and no you have done nothing but provide claims to anecdotal evidence. Nothing of what I provided in terms of evidence is anecdotal. Lag occurs regardless of your ping; Blackbirds (as one example, there are also frigate suicide tacklers) can and will lock you within 1 tick; Suicide tacklers need fewer ticks to lock and tackle your freighter; you are a sitting duck in a shooting galley when you do what you suggested. In contrast to that everything that you provided relies on luck and has no conclusive or factual proof. In other words, it’s nothing but prose and tea leaf reading. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/272 "2018-05-11T18:27:04Z")
Thanks. I do it slightly differently - 1. Align 2. Cloak 3. MWD (set to not repeat) when MWD stops 4. Uncloak 5. Warp I’m just wondering which of these points are the start and end of the ‘enter warp in _n_ seconds’ period ? ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2018, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/273 "2018-05-11T19:08:13Z")
Step 3 starts the timer. The cloak adds another dimension, but you can use the MWD alone to enter warp faster. It will put you in warp as soon as the MWD shuts off, which is exactly 10s after you actvate it. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/274 "2018-05-12T11:38:38Z")
Thanks. Do all MWD’s take exactly 10 seconds to cycle, regardless of their power-rating ? And does the ship used, or my skill-levels, make a difference ? What am I to make of claims of ‘warp in _n_ sec’, where _n_ is anything between 1.5 and 20, that I sometimes see posted in these forums ? Are they timing in a different way ? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/275 "2018-05-12T13:39:35Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > Thanks. Do all MWD’s take exactly 10 seconds to cycle, regardless of their power-rating ? And does the ship used, or my skill-levels, make a difference ? Afaik, yes, they are all 10s. Use the in-game compare function if you want to know exactly. And no, I don’t think any skill or ship bonus currently modifies an MWD’s cycle time. It really only needs to work for your ship and you should check and test it before you rely on it. You might want to put the module onto F1 or F2 for travelling. > [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > What am I to make of claims of ‘warp in n sec’, where n is anything between 1.5 and 20, that I sometimes see posted in these forums ? Are they timing in a different way ? For most cases does one go into warp once 75% of the ship’s top speed has been reached. Because webs reduce a ship’s speed, including the top speed, can one enter warp faster by using webs and by lowering the top speed. For example, if your freighter pilot can do 97.5m/s top will it enter warp at 73.1m/s. Apply a single 60%-web and it will enter warp at 29.3m/s. Use two 60%-webs and it will enter warp at 14m/s. A freighter will usually get from 0m/s to 14m/s in about 4s. I say “most cases”, because the webbing trick doesn’t work immediately in some of the cases, mainly because the ship is travelling into the opposite direction at the moment you activate warp. For instance after undocking. There a ship first has to turn into the direction and this can take up to twice as much time. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/276 "2018-05-12T14:30:07Z")
Just to bring the thread back to topic, another whale sacrificed by a freighter pilot: > **[Providence | John S Isayeki | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/69891095/)** > > John S Isayeki (Perkone) lost their Providence in Sivala (The Citadel). Final Blow by Joshua Kusion (KUSION SPECIAL TEAM) flying in a Purifier. Total Value: 17,947,800,991.53 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/277 "2018-05-12T21:17:51Z")
Its MWD then cloak. If you activate cloak first you cannot use MWD. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/278 "2018-05-13T08:58:15Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Its MWD then cloak. If you activate cloak first you cannot use MWD. You can if you’re quick enough - I do this all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/279 "2018-05-13T09:24:30Z")
We still seem to be distracted by MWD/cloaking in a thread about Freighters, so here’s today’s whale: > **[Charon | Thunder908 Andedare | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/69923707/)** > > Thunder908 Andedare (Maggot Militia) lost their Charon in Piak (Lonetrek). Final Blow by Tantaria Stavanghar (UK Corp) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 16,245,413,738.83 ISK Expanded and overloaded. Just presenting a great gank target. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/280 "2018-05-13T14:31:34Z")
Thank you for getting this thread back on track, but I’m going to have to one-up you with yet another fat, juicy whale, valued at 30 BILLION ISK… > **[Charon | Kol Tsero | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/69944717/)** > > Kol Tsero (Deep Core Mining Inc.) lost their Charon in Perimeter (The Forge). Final Blow by Karl Friedrich Fizzleblade (Hogyoku) flying in a Talos. Total Value: 29,626,156,801.38 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_B\_Thiesant](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ryan_b_thiesant/32/293156_2.png) [@Ryan\_B\_Thiesant](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ryan_B_Thiesant)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/281 "2018-05-13T22:34:58Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > This is why freighter pilots deserve each and every gank on Zkill. They whine about bumping and ganking when they are flying like this… My two cents. I will also cry when I get ganked and my hard earned cargo gets scooped by a pirate alt. But at least that is over quite quickly. The bumping is rather annoying. some guy got bumped for 2 hours. Gank vs Tank cont. Why are some freighters operating with a paper thin tank? Why are compromising tank over an extra bit of cargo? And why are you traveling at peak times? Why are you using plex, BPO and skillbooks as tank? Why are you afk and on autopilot? …Why are pirates driving the prices up on your ships, modules and…? Ryan ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/282 "2018-05-13T23:22:48Z")
Sorry, but WAHT? Since when are newbros flying freighters with 20B in cargo? ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/283 "2018-05-13T23:29:38Z")
There is a window of few ticks (2? 3? 4?) in which you can still activate mwd (and some other modules) after activating cloak. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/284 "2018-05-14T02:27:17Z")
There have been over 600 billion ISK in freighter ganks in high sec so far this month, and it’s not even halfway over. That’s only freighters, not counting DST, haulers, or Orcas used for transport. If I had included those, it would have been well over 1 trillion ISK… ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/285 "2018-05-14T10:26:36Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > There have been over 600 billion ISK in freighter ganks in high sec so far this month, and it’s not even halfway over. That’s only freighters, not counting DST, haulers, or Orcas used for transport. If I had included those, it would have been well over 1 trillion ISK… ‘Trickle-down Economics’ in action… ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_B\_Thiesant](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ryan_b_thiesant/32/293156_2.png) [@Ryan\_B\_Thiesant](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ryan_B_Thiesant)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/286 "2018-05-14T11:36:28Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > Sorry, but WAHT? Since when are newbros flying freighters with 20B in cargo? New character or new player? ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/287 "2018-05-14T12:26:46Z")
We have no way of seeing if it is new character injected into freighter or newbro doing the same… but when I see freighter I don’t think anyone is going to stop and check age of pilot - anyone will just assume he is either skilled into it or injected. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630.md?page=15)