# This is why ganked freighter pilots deserve zero sympathy **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [April 8, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630 "2018-04-08T22:54:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/43 "2018-04-09T09:56:24Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > if i was a miner i wouldnt get bumped because im not a dummy Neither do I, but Sol is giving me a good verbal lashing for engaging with you on Discord, and sent me a cease and desist, otherwise I will make the Salvos list, he just crushed me totally. o7, was fun… ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/44 "2018-04-09T09:57:22Z")
oh okay so youre scared of sol and do what he says good to know ---
**Author:** ![Ag3nt\_Jita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ag3nt_jita/32/48115_2.png) [@Ag3nt\_Jita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ag3nt_Jita)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/45 "2018-04-09T09:59:19Z")
Wts popcorn ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/46 "2018-04-09T10:05:59Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > Why would you reduce the EHP of freighters further? Judging by all the kills that I see that is completely unnecessary to promote ganking and in a world without bumping. Not only bring gankers more ships than necessary for a gank, they also don’t care if the brought ships are overpowered and overly expensive for the target’s EHP values. Freighter EHP are not factor that influences ganking negatively. OK, if you remove bumping or make it more difficult then people have to catch and kill on gates and not stack up by bumping away from the gate while people respond to a ping and log on. It creates active play. The Freighter can also hold cloak, and with Fac police that will hurt. For game balance if you make it more difficult which it will be at this point then you have to adjust the EHP so it is possible. The issue is the impact of timing and fac police. It is imperative that ganking is still possible on freighters. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/47 "2018-04-09T10:09:23Z")
you know people didnt always use bumping tactics that playstyle only became prevalent in the past 4 years or so in fact i think it was james315 who highlighted the technique and made it known and then it was carried over to freighter ganking before then people used to gank without even bumping and people still complained ganking was too easy your proposal only takes the meta back to how it was before james315 made the strategy well known ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/48 "2018-04-09T10:09:50Z")
Which I am totally fine with. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/49 "2018-04-09T10:12:34Z")
so really your issue isnt with bumping making ganking too easy its actually just with bumping youre still bitter ccp said it was a valid playstyle and rejected all your tickets and calls for bans for bumpers ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/50 "2018-04-09T10:17:01Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > while people respond to a ping and log on. It creates active play. The Freighter can also hold cloak, and with Fac police that will hurt. Why should the gankers have the luxury of doing something else to get the cake and eat it although they were not ready to strike? Furthermore, FacPo does nothing while you are on your citadel aligning to the gate and warp to your suicide tackle on the freighter. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/51 "2018-04-09T10:18:08Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > so really your issue isnt with bumping making ganking too easy > > its actually just with bumping > > youre still bitter ccp said it was a valid playstyle and rejected all your tickets and calls for bans for bumpers I asked Sol permission to reply and he sort of gave a grudging yes, well more of a do as you see fit. But you are having a Cathy (Kathy?) Newman moment here, **what you are saying is…** ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/52 "2018-04-09T10:18:59Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > a grudging yes. I did not actually give you my approval, but I allowed you to do as you see fit. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/53 "2018-04-09T10:19:20Z")
im saying you just blindly hate the bumping mechanic for no actual valid reason other than you personally dont like it ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/54 "2018-04-09T10:19:47Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > I did not actually give you my approval, but I allowed you to do as you see fit. Sorry corrected my post, I also slapped my own wrist for good measure twice. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/55 "2018-04-09T10:20:09Z")
such an obedient bear ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/56 "2018-04-09T10:25:25Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > Why should the gankers have the luxury of doing something else to get the cake and eat it although they were not ready to strike? I just think that people using gates and fast warp tactics or killing the tackle on the gate etc. is more engaging gameplay. Also if they arrive and hang on gate waiting for it to decloak then some might get blown up. People can play gate games too. It creates a bit of cat and mouse. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/57 "2018-04-09T10:38:08Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > more engaging gameplay we have already discussed your plystyle and i dont think its close to being enough to make you the authority on engaging gameplay > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Also if they arrive and hang on gate waiting for it to decloak then some might get blown up. People can play gate games too. It creates a bit of cat and mouse. youre implying this happened before bumping became a well known strategy ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/58 "2018-04-09T10:49:46Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I just think that people using gates and fast warp tactics or killing the tackle on the gate etc. is more engaging gameplay. You would still have to do that (web your freighter) to avoid the gank. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Also if they arrive and hang on gate waiting for it to decloak then some might get blown up. People can play gate games too. It creates a bit of cat and mouse. No, you do not. The gank squad aligns from the citadel to the gate. On the gate is a suicide tackle ship that burns to the freighter once it decloaks and tackles it. The gank squad warps to the suicide tackle and scram/web/jam/neuts it just like now. There is virtually no difference in the gank process itself. The only difference is that the gank fleets need to be more distributed. Also, in contrast to the days before citadels where you would have had to hang out and warp between gate pings to avoid FacPo, you have citadels now for perfect safety while you align. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/59 "2018-04-09T10:53:39Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > No, you do not. The gank squad aligns from the citadel to the gate. On the gate is a suicide tackle ship that burns to the freighter once it decloaks and tackles it. The gank squad warps to the suicide tackle and scram/web/jam/neuts it just like now. There is virtually no difference in the gank process itself. The only difference is that the gank fleets need to be more distributed. Yeah, but not everything can be set up perfectly like that, avoidance is perhaps more possible. The counter play is more interesting, and people have to be logged in and ready to gank which for me is much better then it is now. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/60 "2018-04-09T10:54:59Z")
No, avoidance becomes not easier at all. It’s the same as now really. Now, suicide tackle point the freighter before a webber can apply the webs. The same happens in a world without bumping. The only difference is that the gank target dies a minute after the tackle and not 30 minutes or more later. Matter of fact, avoiding a gank becomes a lot harder without bumping as suicide tacklers are even more prevalent than now and your webber is less useful as the suicide tackle trumps it all the time as compared to a bumper. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/61 "2018-04-09T10:57:25Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > No, not really easier. It’s the same as now really. Now, suicide tackle point the freighter before a webber can apply the webs. The same happens in a world without bumping just that the gank target dies a minute after the tackle and not 30 minutes or more later. You are obviously intelligent, this is not an insult by the way. But you really cannot see the difference? I am not going to keep saying it because I already de-railed this thread with my little joust with a very triggered Kathy Newman. But I think I made my point well enough. o7 ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630/62 "2018-04-09T10:57:51Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > people have to be logged in and ready to gank no they dont they just have to be ready to gank they dont need to be logged in [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-is-why-ganked-freighter-pilots-deserve-zero-sympathy/68630.md?page=4)