# This not the EVE I loved \*Update\* **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 28, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583 "2019-05-28T17:44:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![anon81145869](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@anon81145869](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anon81145869)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 4:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/46 "2019-06-01T04:16:39Z")
> [@Ange1](#): > > Is it easier than when we started? Yes. Does that make it a bad game? YES!!! easy games = boring games = bad games! short question,… is eves population growing? ---
**Author:** ![Nysta\_Miityew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nysta_miityew/32/132401_2.png) [@Nysta\_Miityew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nysta_Miityew)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/47 "2019-06-01T12:30:48Z")
> [@anon81145869](#): > > 85% pve content is too easy and boring so every retard can do it with no effort and no whining Are you just talking about level 1 missions or have you run the difficult abyssal sites yet? What about the high rated DED sites? There are also combat anomalies with “Besieged” in their name, have you run any of those? Here’s a good list of PVE combat sites. Have you tried the more difficult ones? Level 1 missions and high-sec rats are ridiculously easy, but I wouldn’t say they compose 85% of combat sites. [https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Combat\_sites](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Combat_sites) ---
**Author:** ![anon81145869](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@anon81145869](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anon81145869)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/48 "2019-06-01T19:13:45Z")
im talking about mmo games in general 😉 i did most pve in highsec but there is still alot i did not because low skills/low gear but thx for givin me that list, i will get better equip(and need to work for more moneeey lol, my last ship made me poor) now and work em all down!! also i did look up alot of pve on youtube and it doesnt look that hard… btw i got one more question: is there any pve where i need a big group? ‘‘not’’ talking about ‘‘endgame’’ pve now! ---
**Author:** ![Ronnie\_Rose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronnie_rose/32/446230_2.png) [@Ronnie\_Rose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronnie_Rose)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/49 "2019-06-01T19:15:31Z")
I liked that CCP got rid of the SP loss mechanic. It was disheartening to the point people just out right quit the game. Skill injectors, not so much…but that’s the game as it is. But things in the game now that you didn’t have then…multiboxing, PLEX botting and CODE. That’s what is ruining the game to me. ---
**Author:** ![anon81145869](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@anon81145869](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anon81145869)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/50 "2019-06-01T19:21:08Z")
some seem to like it and some miss it! i would like to have a system like ithis back in the game because even if u did beat the whole game u will have Always something to work on and u gives u a bigger rush/adrenaline in pvp/pve because u dont wanna lose ur new learnd skills 😉 (im one of whose players who loved the permadeath system for jedis in swg^^) but sure i understand the argument against a system like this 😉 EDIT: i just found out about the change they did with doomsday weapons!! WHY DAFUQ THEY REMOVED THE AOE DAMAGE?!?! CMON ITS A DOOMSDAY WEAPON!! for a expensive weapon like this i wanna be able to destroy everything in a System!! it says DOOMSDAY!! doomsday = everything dies!!! wtf ccp……. ☹ and dont even try to explain to me why they did change it… it is always the same,… carebears cry and fun features get removed ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/51 "2019-06-01T21:04:16Z")
> [@anon81145869](#): > > and dont even try to explain to me why they did change it They changed it because: - You could fire it through a cyno, not endangering the Titan in any way - The server had trouble parsing killmails achieved with it. I might be way off base but the most successful deployment of the AoE DD generated something like 2,500 killmails in an instant? This was before TiDi btw, so it’s possible the node crashed. So in fact it was changed to _prevent_ carebearing. ---
**Author:** ![anon81145869](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@anon81145869](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anon81145869)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/52 "2019-06-01T21:09:36Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > the AoE DD generated something like 2,500 killmails in an instant this sounds…. awesome!!! 😃 edit: seems like i really would prefer a eve classic server now… ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/53 "2019-06-01T21:25:19Z")
> [@anon81145869](#): > > seems like i really would prefer a eve classic server now… I really doubt that. ---
**Author:** ![anon81145869](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@anon81145869](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anon81145869)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/54 "2019-06-01T21:32:05Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > I really doubt that. u sound like the retail wow fanboys but it doesnt change the fact that classic wow server will kill retail wow^^ im sure same will go for retail eve vs classic eve 😉 or just look up all the other classic project in the mmos scene, most of these servers have alot more players than the updated versions! Oldschool runescape has x3 more the population than the new better looking runescape^^ ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/55 "2019-06-01T22:35:58Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > > [@anon81145869](#): > > > > seems like i really would prefer a eve classic server now… > > I really doubt that. Yeah. Sounds great until you remember that with no skill injectors, no skill queue, and no PLEX, it would be about three years of subscription paid for out of your wallet before you could use that DD. Add to that that you can’t buy your Titan with cash as you can now and I think you’ll not be so enamored with the past. ---
**Author:** ![anon81145869](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@anon81145869](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anon81145869)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/56 "2019-06-01T22:48:50Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > Add to that that you can’t buy your Titan with cash as you can now and I think you’ll not be so enamored with the past. so now, owning a titan doesnt mean anything anymore because i can just buy em with rl money,… this sucks big time ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Scarlett\_LaBlanc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlett_lablanc/32/358434_2.png) [@Scarlett\_LaBlanc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlett_LaBlanc)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/57 "2019-06-01T23:37:56Z")
@anon81145869, I have to say it’s a little strange reading you talk about how great Eve was “back in the day” when you did not play it then. People whom played back in the early 2000’s can talk about how much better it was then (even if they are crazy). Listening to a teenager talk about waking to school, in the snow, uphill, both ways… you frankly just have no idea what your talking about, if you did not play it then. ---
**Author:** ![Retribution\_atSubZero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/retribution_atsubzero/32/139672_2.png) [@Retribution\_atSubZero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Retribution_atSubZero)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2019, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/58 "2019-06-01T23:45:57Z")
As to the title, I agree but have to live with this. ---
**Author:** ![anon81145869](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@anon81145869](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anon81145869)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/59 "2019-06-02T00:39:06Z")
> [@Scarlett\_LaBlanc](#): > > I have to say it’s a little strange reading you talk about how great Eve was “back in the day” when you did not play it then. > > People whom played back in the early 2000’s can talk about how much better it was then (even if they are crazy). Listening to a teenager talk about waking to school, in the snow, uphill, both ways… you frankly just have no idea what your talking about, if you did not play it then. where did i say how great eve was back in the day? so only because im new i dont have the right to ask for old features coming back to eve? do i now have to agree with carebears that highsec pvp has to go, only because im a new player? i will never do this! i rather quit this game, like so many did before me! and btw, i did play older eve versions, but i never gave it a chance in the long run 😉 just see it like this, if i had the choice to play on a classic or current eve server, i as a new player would choose classic because i like its features much more! one of these things would be to smuggle drugs again. i also hate the new change ccp did to exploration or now as its calld ‘scanning’ its the same with runescape or world of warcraft. some people (minority) telling me that the older versions are crap but why do i love these versions? and why do the older versions have full servers and the new ones are almost empty? if eve would be my first mmo i could understand what u are sayin but im playin mmos since the 90s and i tried most of em (i dont try/like the asian/anime stuff) there are tons of People like me who are searching for a good mmo since years now but the mmo market is full with casual crap! and im 100% sure that ccp will lose more and more players by making this game even more easy and casual friendly! just remember my words 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/60 "2019-06-02T01:07:08Z")
> [@anon81145869](#): > > and im 100% sure that ccp will lose more and more players by making this game even more easy and casual friendly! just remember my words 😉 Do you have anything to support this claim or… ? ---
**Author:** ![anon81145869](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@anon81145869](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anon81145869)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/61 "2019-06-02T01:09:24Z")
yes, just ask ccp for more casual crap and look how people quit the game and u could use this if u arent sure enough [https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility](https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility) ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/62 "2019-06-02T01:11:08Z")
> [@anon81145869](#): > > u could use this if u arent sure enough [https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility](https://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility) Where is the proof that this is caused by “more casual crap” and not because of another issue? ---
**Author:** ![anon81145869](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@anon81145869](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anon81145869)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/63 "2019-06-02T01:13:33Z")
i just told you! ask ccp for making the game even more easy (like they did with exploration) and more people will go! i dont give a crap if u dont believe me 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/64 "2019-06-02T01:14:24Z")
> [@anon81145869](#): > > i dont give a crap if u dont believe me 😉 It’s not that I don’t believe you. It’s that you’re not offering any support for your claims. You’re just saying things out of your rear end and trying to sound as if you know things, and when someone asks for proof, you’re just repeating your same claim. ---
**Author:** ![anon81145869](https://imageserver.eveonline.com/Character/1_512.jpg) [@anon81145869](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/anon81145869)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583/65 "2019-06-02T01:18:36Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > You’re just saying things out of your rear end im not! it’s a fact u can see from all other great mmos! players dont want easy games, players love challenge! i did lose 3 of my most loved mmos because of this crap! its always the same!!! and worst is that people doesnt seem to learn from it… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-not-the-eve-i-loved-update/162583.md?page=4)