# Time for new benefits for omega paying subscriptions **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** omega\ **Created:** [May 2, 2020, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215 "2020-05-02T22:17:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2020, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/205 "2020-05-08T02:03:45Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > If we took pure greed out of the equation and reinstated a quality experience for a price but then limited that experience based on paying subs how many automation accounts would that turn away? Likely not very many, given the fact that botting was a problem before PLEX existed. The only difference is that more of the bots would be run by illegal third-party RMTers. ---
**Author:** ![Skip\_Lorry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skip_lorry/32/244808_2.png) [@Skip\_Lorry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skip_Lorry)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2020, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/206 "2020-05-08T23:53:43Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > If you asked me what is the problem: after about 6 weeks you are getting capped by boring support skills. Lets admit it, training them is both necessary and extremely boring. And boy, do they take a while train. Yeah, CCP should allow players to play while training support skills. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/207 "2020-05-09T00:43:50Z")
Why should omega’s get benefits for paying? they get access to the entire ■■■■■■■ game. I will say, first time, and first time only, an alpha becomes an omega, they should get some kind of gift, even if its an alt… but first ■■■■■■■ time only. ---
**Author:** ![DragoFire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragofire/32/257926_2.png) [@DragoFire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DragoFire)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/208 "2020-05-09T19:24:50Z")
They do if they pay for the starter pack, one time only purchase, heaps of stuff in that pack. And cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/209 "2020-05-10T04:02:36Z")
> [@Paul\_Torin](#): > > Go play wow or other crap if you want P2W > > 1. plex cost more. so if I plex in game my omega time. CCP actually makes more real money than if I buy omega time. CCP doesn’t make any real currency from someone that just uses Plex to subscribe. In game currency has no real value. When someone buys Plex from CCP that of course is when they receive money. That purchased Plex maybe used to buy in-game currency or products from the shop or maybe to donate to a charity event. Players that just Plex their Omega account may not actually be paying anything to play but they do provide a service as buying Plex from CCP so as to be able to buy in-game currency is probably the main reason for doing so. Even Alpha accounts are useful at maintaining player numbers as games that tend to haemorrhage players tend to lose even more. As I used to say about MMOs, people attract people. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 4:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/210 "2020-05-10T04:08:27Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > CCP doesn’t make any real currency from someone that just uses Plex to subscribe. In game currency has no real value. Where Do Plexes Come From? ![stork-carrying-baby](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/e/3eb40383a683239edb960ab43e895bda81e3a310.png) ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/211 "2020-05-10T04:28:28Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > When someone buys Plex from CCP that of course is when they receive money That isn’t how accounting works. Till plex is used it’s a held debt of sorts, since they still owe the services for the plex. It is only counted as earnt when someone uses it, so while the money might in theory be in the bank, it isn’t counted. > [@Xeux](#): > > But… CCP makes MORE profit off of Plexed subscriptions compared to direct subscriptions. Just as a note this is actually a myth. It is only true if you assume the bulk of plex bought is bought at the minimum package size with no discount. The reality is most plex comes from whales, who get to negotiate special large package discounts with CCP, or bought during a Plex sale. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/212 "2020-05-10T04:34:39Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > > [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > > > CCP doesn’t make any real currency from someone that just uses Plex to subscribe. In game currency has no real value. > > Where Do Plexes Come From? In answer to your question all Plex originate from CCP. You buy something from the game shop once you’ve purchased it and it has been added to the game it has a value to you but it has no real monetary value. Plex is no different. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/213 "2020-05-10T04:50:29Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > The reality is most plex comes from whales, who get to negotiate special large package discounts with CCP… Citation needed. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/214 "2020-05-10T04:50:29Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > > [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > > > When someone buys Plex from CCP that of course is when they receive money > > That isn’t how accounting works. Till plex is used it’s a held debt of sorts, since they still owe the services for the plex. It is only counted as earnt when someone uses it, so while the money might in theory be in the bank, it isn’t counted. I’m not so sure it is held as a debt, not a real debt anyway. You don’t know where those Plex are going to be used or if they will ever be used. Say the company was liquidated and you had 600 Plex on your account would you get the original real currency value back? I think not. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/215 "2020-05-10T04:57:11Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > I’m not so sure it is held as a debt, not a real debt anyway Go and look at the CCP financial statements that are available. you’ll see a section there, can’t remember the exact term, but basically they track plex value not yet used and don’t count it as income. Yes it’s not a real debt, but I’d lay good odds if they just closed the servers tomorrow someone with a large pile of plex might be able to make a legal claim that there is value of services owing to them that CCP have to account for somehow. Win or lose, I don’t know, but it would likely get as far as the courts if they actually had money in the bank, rather than bankruptcy declaration. > [@Xeux](#): > > Citation needed Common sense. the sheer number of minimum plex package size not on special purchases that would be needed to even equal 1 whale is significantly large. And we know such whales exist and that they buy huge plex piles at times. If you want to call it false, come up with some evidence against common sense, because in this case Occams Razor supports it. Though sure, I don’t have a referenced number or ratio. But I don’t need one to put the lie to the plex vs subscription ratio, because it’s based on a clear misrepresentation. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/216 "2020-05-10T05:03:00Z")
The accounting term for unredeemed PLEX is [deferred income](https://www.accountingtools.com/articles/2017/9/21/deferred-income); it is a liability, or debt, until used. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/217 "2020-05-10T11:09:07Z")
Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![DragoFire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragofire/32/257926_2.png) [@DragoFire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DragoFire)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/218 "2020-05-10T11:28:11Z")
This is true only in terms of ingame currency. The moment you **pay** for you PLEX or Subscription with real money you have agreed to a purchase, it is an non-fundable purchase. Money leaves your bank account and enters CCPs. Yes you have a paid for subscription,or banked _(in game only)_ PLEX, until you use it to purchase ingame store items or to trade/sell for ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/219 "2020-05-10T11:28:24Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > If you want to call it false, come up with some evidence against common sense, because in this case Occams Razor supports it. Occam’s razor is not evidence and burden of proof is with you. Common sense is also not proof. This is a common logical fallacy called argumentum ad populum. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/220 "2020-05-10T12:04:13Z")
> [@Brun\_Warbear](#): > > Common sense is also not proof. Non sale price. ### 15,400 PLEX 11,020 _+ 4,380 FREE_ $499.99 Costs there are much more comparable to a subscription price than people talk about. And that’s not even the best plex package. Larger packages you can negotiate your discount directly. This is why I said common sense is required to view this, the evidence is literally on the CCP website. You just have to actually be able to think and not parrot. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/221 "2020-05-10T12:28:30Z")
> [@DragoFire](#): > > This is true only in terms of ingame currency. > > The moment you **pay** for you PLEX or Subscription with real money you have agreed to a purchase, it is an non-fundable purchase. Money leaves your bank account and enters CCPs. > > Yes you have a paid for subscription,or banked _(in game only)_ PLEX, until you use it to purchase ingame store items or to trade/sell for ISK. Yeah, all in-game items purchased are non-refundable, that’s the agreement you make when you make your purchase. Only time I can think that that agreement might not hold is if the company was selling the product knowing they were in trouble and would most likely not be able to honour the agreement. Someone buys Plex from CCP, they receive it in-game and sell it on the market. At that point they’ve used the PLEX which is why PLEX in-game can not have a real currency value as it’s being purchased with in-game currency. As noted from someone else’s post previously, why it appears as a liability on the CCP’s account statement, I can only think it’s a note that under non-favourable circumstances they could end up in a situation where they could see reduced income for a period of time. Although if they really wanted to track PLEX against PLEX use on Omega subs, they really should have kept them separate from other shop items by using a separate in-game currency. Like they originally did. Not sure if the change was to muddy the waters as 1 Plex was equal to an Omega sub, but 500 Plex makes it seem that Plex is not specifically aimed at Omega subs. ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/222 "2020-05-10T12:34:33Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Costs there are much more comparable to a subscription price than people talk about. On what planet is a 40% increase in costs “comparable”. LOL ---
**Author:** ![Karol\_Godula](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karol_godula/32/391303_2.png) [@Karol\_Godula](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karol_Godula)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/223 "2020-05-10T12:55:27Z")
I agree. Extra skill points would probably work best. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/224 "2020-05-10T18:05:58Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > This is why I said common sense is required to view this, the evidence is literally on the CCP website. Uh, no. The evidence is on CCP’s website for standard PLEX packages that anyone can buy which have PLEX at a cheaper per-PLEX cost if they buy larger quantities. There is no evidence whatsoever for your claim that CCP allows people to negotiate special bulk purchases outside of the normal store. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215.md?page=12)