# Time for new benefits for omega paying subscriptions **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** omega\ **Created:** [May 2, 2020, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215 "2020-05-02T22:17:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/44 "2020-05-03T13:11:18Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > There was nothing to complain about when they didn’t exist, but now they are not good enough and people already complain. They are plainly ■■■■. They are not worth the time to click on them to discard them. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/45 "2020-05-03T13:13:36Z")
CCP definitely needs some serious marketing help. They seem to pay as little attention to proper marketing as they do to understanding their player base or designing their game. Sadly, as long as people continue to pay for the game as-is and everyone at CCP continues to collect paychecks for (mostly) mediocre quality work, the game and the way it’s marketed won’t change. Subs are valuable to a company not only for the income, but because they represent a somewhat-reliable income stream. Accounting can tell how many subs there are, when they renew, and predict roughly how much income will be coming in each quarter from them. Yes, PLEX subs are more expensive per month, and thus in a way ‘more profitable’ to CCP. They also represent a massive outstanding liability for CCP, which does present a risk. As an example, let’s say CCP did something ultimately necessary, but very disruptive, to Null space. The null blocs could get together en masse and say “Fine, you ruined our space, 10,000 of us are going to cancel our subs and just Plex our accounts from now on, using the millions of Plex we already have hoarded”. An unlikely scenario of course, but it does illustrate that the millions of Plex circulating in EVE represent a liability that CCP must take into account with future planning. CCP probably wants to maintain a balance between cheaper Omega time via subs, and tradeable but more profitable play time via Plex. They do already create package deals so tossing a little flavor bonus into multi-month, renewable subscriptions wouldn’t hurt, but it shouldn’t be anything game-changing. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/46 "2020-05-03T13:14:47Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > So yeah, in a sense I agree with the OP. Players who spend real money to buy a subscription should get a better incentive to continue doing it. Yeah, but why should we encourage them to do that by providing some cheap reward? The ONLY honest way to get more subscribers is to make the game more interesting so more people play and want to pay for it. They should focus on that in my opinion and not on cheap tricks. ---
**Author:** ![ExcalibursTemplar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/excaliburstemplar/32/383837_2.png) [@ExcalibursTemplar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ExcalibursTemplar)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/47 "2020-05-03T13:17:46Z")
If i left you a bag of dog ■■■■ on your porch as a present. You can either use it as fertilizer or stick it in the bin. Would you be happy with that ??? Because that’s what CCP frigging login rewards are akin to. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/48 "2020-05-03T13:20:00Z")
> [@ExcalibursTemplar](#): > > Because that’s what CCP frigging login rewards are akin to. Poor you…life must be so hard… ---
**Author:** ![ExcalibursTemplar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/excaliburstemplar/32/383837_2.png) [@ExcalibursTemplar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ExcalibursTemplar)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/49 "2020-05-03T13:33:17Z")
Awww diddums ---
**Author:** ![TYRANNATOR\_I1I](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrannator_i1i/32/381994_2.png) [@TYRANNATOR\_I1I](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TYRANNATOR_I1I)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/50 "2020-05-03T14:04:02Z")
Yes, I tried some thinking into this direction too, thank you for answering on both these lines! > [@Nerfing Capitals vs Nerfing Plexed Capital Multiboxing: Capitals allowed on cash paid subs only](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerfing-capitals-vs-nerfing-plexed-capital-multiboxing-capitals-allowed-on-cash-paid-subs-only/236465/8): > > Absolutely not. Under no circumstances should there ever be a differentiated PLEX-Omega and a $$$-Omega. There will be only one Omega equally redeemable by either mechanism, end of story. There are better ways to address any problems involving mechanics or arguably undesirable player behaviors. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/51 "2020-05-03T14:07:22Z")
> [@ExcalibursTemplar](#): > > Would you be happy with that ??? I’m happy that you reinforced my argument by displaying how people react if they get the wrong thing instead of nothing yes. ---
**Author:** ![ExcalibursTemplar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/excaliburstemplar/32/383837_2.png) [@ExcalibursTemplar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ExcalibursTemplar)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/52 "2020-05-03T17:25:13Z")
Huhu I know you are, because you said you are, so what am i. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/53 "2020-05-03T17:38:10Z")
A wanabe smartass? ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_O\_Helm](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_o_helm/32/154936_2.png) [@Mark\_O\_Helm](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_O_Helm)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/54 "2020-05-03T17:44:04Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > dumbfuck Somebody forgot to censor that?😁 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/55 "2020-05-03T17:50:24Z")
> [@DragoFire](#): > > Ideally omega stays the same for plexing, but realworld purchased subscriptions should gain some benefit for purchasing solely subscription and not injecting plex into EVE, as CCP have been trying to encourage players to buy subscription, maybe give players a real reason to do so. If I wanted to be evil, how about we move the ability to multibox to the subscriptions that aren’t paid with plex? Alpha: as it is now Omega: as it is now, minus multiboxing OmegaPlus: Omega + allowed to multibox, for people who pay for their subscription with $$ instead of plex ---
**Author:** ![TYRANNATOR\_I1I](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrannator_i1i/32/381994_2.png) [@TYRANNATOR\_I1I](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TYRANNATOR_I1I)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/56 "2020-05-03T17:53:52Z")
I started a thread in this direction just a few days ago… > [@Nerfing Capitals vs Nerfing Plexed Capital Multiboxing: Capitals allowed on cash paid subs only](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerfing-capitals-vs-nerfing-plexed-capital-multiboxing-capitals-allowed-on-cash-paid-subs-only/236465): > > As the title says, a lot has been said that Rorquals (and other capitals) are overpowered, and the solution lies in either nerving them or starving them through ore shortages in nul-sec. My vision is that it is not the Rorqual and the Orca what is overpowered or a problem in Eve, but that multiboxing through plexed omega accounts is the root of the problem. So the solution could be: Allow capital ships to be flown only on cash paid omega subscribed accounts. Plex paid omega accounts can f… @Gerard_Amatin ---
**Author:** ![M\_Cincinnatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m_cincinnatus/32/258279_2.png) [@M\_Cincinnatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M_Cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/57 "2020-05-03T18:29:39Z")
I kind of agree with the OP and @DeMichael_Crimson: - PLEX by $$ - These players get to jump into the game and immediately do their favorite dangerous stuff. - Subbing - These players get to jump into the game and start grinding their favorite content and then do dangerous stuff. - Omega by isk - These players jump into the game and start grinding not necessarily their favorite content but perhaps the most profitable, then go on to do dangerous stuff. This perhaps fairly represents the majority of players, and shows that people are playing three slightly differing versions of the game. Personally, I feel the first two should be priority for the devs. But I also agree with @Karak_Terrel that gimmicks shouldn’t really be used on those populations, they should indeed continually improve the game and perhaps one way would be to send surveys to the first two groups more. ---
**Author:** ![luckyphillips](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luckyphillips/32/193870_2.png) [@luckyphillips](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/luckyphillips)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/58 "2020-05-03T18:32:03Z")
if they did I would cancel all 3 of my paid accounts ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/59 "2020-05-03T18:54:33Z")
> [@M\_Cincinnatus](#): > > I kind of agree with the OP and @DeMichael_Crimson: you don’t get how the game actually works but you are right , there is 3 kinds of players > [@M\_Cincinnatus](#): > > PLEX by $$ - These players get to jump into the game and immediately do their favorite dangerous stuff. they don’t do dangerous stuff , they are mostly whales and use the plex to buy lots of injectors , a super and them quit in 15 days and make a complaining topic here on the forums > [@M\_Cincinnatus](#): > > Subbing - These players get to jump into the game and start grinding their favorite content and then do dangerous stuff. they are vet players , they have a job , so they play and don’t have to grind , they have the most fun and pay less , in money and in soul 😈 > [@M\_Cincinnatus](#): > > Omega by isk - These players jump into the game and start grinding not necessarily their favorite content but perhaps the most profitable, then go on to do dangerous stuff. same as number 2 but poor , or young , they provide the isk number one needs all tree types deserve the same treatment ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/60 "2020-05-03T19:09:22Z")
> [@DragoFire](#): > > So any one the purchases subscription through the Steam store or CCP subscription web page **which is how omega was only available before plexing became available.** Game Time Codes were sold for ISK on the forums before plexing streamlined that, so your claim here is completely wrong. One always had the option of funding ones subscription with in-game ISK, provided there was someone willing to sell their game time. ---
**Author:** ![Aceyfacey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aceyfacey/32/251142_2.png) [@Aceyfacey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aceyfacey)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/61 "2020-05-03T19:26:13Z")
this will crash the plex economy ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/62 "2020-05-03T21:03:28Z")
Oh look, another smart thread about how to “solve” a non existent problem… And some people not understanding the full implications and how the whole PLEX thing works, pretending they know better than CCP how they should run _their_ business… 🤣 Why would CCP want to complicate matters by making in game differences to players depending on how they pay for their subscription time? It makes no sense from a business point of view. What matters is that players pay for their subscription time, not how… CCP may and in fact do already give an incentive to players to pay with real cash anytime they want by e.g. offering special bundles, including skill points and whatnot. How is anything being “proposed” here any better than that? It makes no sense. You have no idea, LOL. Everybody asking for CCP to change their subscription model in this thread do yourselves a favour by doing a little introspection and admit it has absolutely nothing to do with whether it would be better for CCP business, which you obviously don’t understand to begin with, but rather with you _thinking_ you deserve some kind of privilege for the way you’ve _chosen_ to pay for your subscription time, or that the players that pay with PLEX in game deserve to be punished for some reason… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2020, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215/63 "2020-05-03T21:24:59Z")
> [@Aceyfacey](#): > > this will crash the plex economy It would crash the plex _price_. Just wondering, would that be a bad thing? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-for-new-benefits-for-omega-paying-subscriptions/237215.md?page=4)