# Time to say good bye EVE online **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [December 27, 2020, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088 "2020-12-27T09:59:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/515564_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/41 "2020-12-27T17:40:17Z")
> [@Wanda\_Fayne](#): > > Give some to the Bus though! > –\> [Operation Magic School Bus](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/operation-magic-school-bus/5352) That’s a great suggestion @Wanda_Fayne, [Operation Magic School Bus](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/operation-magic-school-bus/5352) is a brilliant in-game community project. I take it all back about wanting your stuff @Potato_Ham. Wanda is right, give it to the bus project if you’re leaving. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/42 "2020-12-27T17:57:46Z")
> [@Potato\_Ham](#): > > I like to save ISK You like to save ISK … … for what purpose? ---
**Author:** ![Doc\_Orange](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doc_orange/32/248271_2.png) [@Doc\_Orange](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doc_Orange)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/43 "2020-12-27T18:17:57Z")
I understand you - I understand your reasons. I feel similar. ---
**Author:** ![GloriousDeath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloriousdeath/32/245138_2.png) [@GloriousDeath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GloriousDeath)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/44 "2020-12-27T19:47:10Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > you guys refuse to partake in 1/2 the game and say its not fun > i bet you pew pew in red dead or ass creed Partake ? Would you mind telling me how I can “partake” when I can’t afford a ship, it’s modules, insurance, ammo…? Can you tell me how to “partake” when I can’t manufacture what I need to - well, partake? OH wait, I understand. I’m supposed to “partake” by getting a Venture, fly to -0.5 and get myself blown out of the skies for another player’s pleasure. Thanks but NO. > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > i bet you pew pew in red dead or ass creed Pew pew in Red Dead or Ass Creed? 🤣 You need to get your head out your azz and realize that EVE isn’t the only game online. FYI, there is no pew-pew in those games… oh, and they are TRUE open-world sanbox, too. Not like what you’re getting ripped off with. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/45 "2020-12-27T20:21:02Z")
It just means current eve is not viable to a certain type of player that found eve 2 years ago a delight, the type of player that just wants to horde and not touch pvp. I literally solo roamed into null a few hours ago, caught a gila in my harpy took it to 10% shield before a myrm, proteus, brutix landed on grid I had to pull range from the gila he warped off and wrote “looser” in local I asked him to come bring a pvp ship to rejoin the fight and he said “I don’t do pvp”. Now I wonder why null sec - supposed to be the most dangerous space in eve online (which it’s not, low is the most dangerous but that is besides the point) yet it is attracting these people that don’t like combat at all. I do not get it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/46 "2020-12-27T20:27:44Z")
> [@GloriousDeath](#): > > I can’t afford a ship, it’s modules, insurance, ammo…? Why not? I dont PLEX, Im Alpha, and I dont have any trouble raising say 10m, which is more than enough for a fitted HS cruiser. And Im pretty ■■■■■■■ lazy ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/47 "2020-12-27T20:37:03Z")
maybe but i think you guys are afraid to pvp in eve … 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/48 "2020-12-27T20:38:01Z")
Wait how does eve echo’s have more people playing than real eve O\_o 4 months ago: Eve online: players that month 300 000 Eve echo’s: 2 000 000 Might not be entirely accurate as I am pulling peices together from multiple sources but damn that’s insane. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/49 "2020-12-27T20:39:43Z")
> [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > Wait how does eve echo’s have more people playing than real eve O\_o ![Captura de Tela 2020-12-27 às 17.39.10](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/c/ccc6c0b130c8d8b70c8d4658b576e41dbbb3d59f.jpeg) > [@GloriousDeath](#): > > oh, and they are TRUE open-world sanbox, too ![Captura de Tela 2020-12-27 às 17.48.54](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/7/c7dc2151113896300e4ac186939edc20a36e4550.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![GloriousDeath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloriousdeath/32/245138_2.png) [@GloriousDeath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GloriousDeath)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/50 "2020-12-27T21:34:12Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > maybe > but i think you guys are afraid to pvp in eve … Afraid of what ?? It’s not like we’re gonna lose our lives, is it? We’re not afraid. I personally don’t see the point of grinding for a week to lose a ship in less than - literally- a minute. That’s not fun, that’s just a waste of a week grinding. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/51 "2020-12-27T21:36:17Z")
100 to 200m/hour means you can welp 2 to 4 frigs or 1 cruiser/bc, it will probibly take more than an hour to loose your ship thou. ---
**Author:** ![GloriousDeath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloriousdeath/32/245138_2.png) [@GloriousDeath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GloriousDeath)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/52 "2020-12-27T21:42:19Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Why not? > > I dont PLEX, Im Alpha, and I dont have any trouble raising say 10m, which is more than enough for a fitted HS cruiser. > > And Im pretty ■■■■■■■ lazy As I said. Because I can’t mine enough to build a ship and don’t have the necessary tools/skills to manufacture and don’t have enough income to buy original blueprints ( if I even find one to buy and can afford it ) only to get it destroyed willy-nilly for someone’s else amusement. If CCP wants there to be destruction, there’s gotta be construction first. In order for players to construct there’s gotta be materials and in order for there to be materials there’s gotta be ore in stock and for that the ore needs to be found and mined - BLAP! sorry, F-you and your ore 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![GloriousDeath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloriousdeath/32/245138_2.png) [@GloriousDeath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GloriousDeath)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/53 "2020-12-27T21:51:04Z")
> [@Makshima\_Shogo](#): > > 100 to 200m/hour means you can welp 2 to 4 frigs or 1 cruiser/bc, it will probibly take more than an hour to loose your ship thou Nope. All I make when I mine is maybe 1mil an hour. That’s when I’m not ganked. “it will probibly take more than an hour to loose your ship” Nope. Last time I got a Venture I lost it less than an hour afterwards. I mine in 0.4 and 0.3 to even find the ores that are worth more than a penny a ton. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/54 "2020-12-27T22:10:54Z")
> [@GloriousDeath](#): > > Because I can’t mine enough to build a ship Just buy one > [@GloriousDeath](#): > > don’t have enough income to buy original blueprints Buy a copy off contracts, or just buy the ship > [@GloriousDeath](#): > > only to get it destroyed willy-nilly for someone’s else amusement. Hence I mentioned High Sec. Not a whole lot of suicide ganking L2 and 3 mission runners or escalations. > [@GloriousDeath](#): > > there’s gotta be ore in stock Markets are not in any danger of running out. ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/55 "2020-12-27T22:19:10Z")
> [@GloriousDeath](#): > > Would you mind telling me how I can “partake” when I can’t afford a ship, it’s modules, insurance, ammo…? There are many groups (and/or other players) who will gladly supply you with ships if you will fight for their group (or just fight for it’s own sake, as the old Red vs. Blue [RvB] alliance did for years against each other in the “forever war”). Volunteer to fly “hero tackle” for a war fleet, join a faction warfare corp, shoot - if nothing else just enlist in faction warfare and throw yourself at the first orange targets you find and get transformed gloriously into red glowing dust in a spasm of virtual space pixel bushido. Heck - I’ll give you 10 fitted T1 frigates to start with if you want. (yes even \*sigh…minmatar ones…) ---
**Author:** ![GloriousDeath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloriousdeath/32/245138_2.png) [@GloriousDeath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GloriousDeath)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/56 "2020-12-27T22:29:06Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Just buy one I did, several already. But all I’m doing is losing ISK and nothing more. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Buy a copy off contracts, or just buy the ship Why can’t I have original blueprints? OH forgot, CCP needs me to spend money for that. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Hence I mentioned High Sec. > > Not a whole lot of suicide ganking L2 and 3 mission runners or escalations. I Ain’t mining in HiSec! F- that. For what ? A bunch of Perite ? Then what ? I’ll need more than Perite to manufacture a ship. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Markets are not in any danger of running out. Again, all I’ll be doing is lose ISK. A lose-lose proposition. With your suggestions all that’s gonna happen is that I’ll run out of ISK - HAVE NO FEAR DEAR CAPSULEER 😀 there’s - that’s right - PLEX!! YAY JONNY! MORE cash thrown into a game for - that’s right - someone’s else amusement. NO ---
**Author:** ![GloriousDeath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloriousdeath/32/245138_2.png) [@GloriousDeath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GloriousDeath)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/57 "2020-12-27T22:32:57Z")
> [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > There are many groups (and/or other players) who will gladly supply you with ships Space panhandling ? 🤣 Not my style. I’m not a bum. > [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > if you will fight for their group (or just fight for it’s own sake, as the old Red vs. Blue [RvB] alliance did for years against each other in the “forever war”). What’s the point of downloading a “sandbox” if I still end up doing what OTHERS want me to do ? In that case I might as well play a linear story-driven rpg. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/58 "2020-12-27T22:47:34Z")
> [@GloriousDeath](#): > > But all I’m doing is losing ISK and nothing more. If you are insuring your ships, the loss is pretty much negiligable on T1s. > [@GloriousDeath](#): > > Why can’t I have original blueprints? OH forgot, CCP needs me to spend money for that. Iirc the price for BPOs bought from NPCs hasnt changed in years, if ever? And T1 ship BPOs arent very expensive. > [@GloriousDeath](#): > > I Ain’t mining in HiSec! Hence why I said missions and escalations. That said, its not that hard to get into low sec in a Venture, but stocking up enough ore and getting it out solo without alts would be time consuming, in most cases. > [@GloriousDeath](#): > > Again, all I’ll be doing is lose ISK. Not meaning to be rude, but have you considered there may strategies to gain what you want that you havent tried? ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/59 "2020-12-27T22:54:23Z")
> [@GloriousDeath](#): > > > [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > > > There are many groups (and/or other players) who will gladly supply you with ships > > Space panhandling ? 🤣 Not my style. I’m not a bum. It’s not begging at all. It’s being part of a team and that team issuing equipment to it’s members to play the game. > [@GloriousDeath](#): > > > [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > > > if you will fight for their group (or just fight for it’s own sake, as the old Red vs. Blue [RvB] alliance did for years against each other in the “forever war”). > > What’s the point of downloading a “sandbox” if I still end up doing what OTHERS want me to do ? In that case I might as well play a linear story-driven rpg. Well..it _is_ an MMO, after all… Players do group up to do things together and of course groups of humans often do have designated leaders (although there are probably groups out there doing a “we are all the leader” kind of thing, dunno). Certainly one can play this game solo and many have, but that _can_ be a way to get bored fairly quickly depending on factors such as temperament and activity engaged in. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088/60 "2020-12-27T23:03:11Z")
> [@GloriousDeath](#): > > Nope. > All I make when I mine is maybe 1mil an hour. That’s when I’m not ganked. This is why Mining needs to be changed 1m/h is terrible but it seems CCP is already on this from the patch notes that we just read. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-say-good-bye-eve-online/287088.md?page=4)