# Time To Sort Out Ship Skins **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 5, 2023, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815 "2023-10-05T08:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/61 "2023-10-05T15:49:34Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > this window LISTS SKINS, it’s not a market. The window lists skins when NONE are available on the market…anywhere. What kind of a showcase is that for Eve skins ? Buying a skin should not be something that costs 100 times the ship itself, or where one or two of the skins listed are available 71 jumps away. It should be a regular, bog standard, thing that is easy and readily available. It is a complete **farce** to have 17 skins listed and not be able to find a single one of them anywhere in Eve. But I can see why people holding onto those 2bn Retribution skins don’t want this changed ! ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/62 "2023-10-05T15:52:07Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > You’re not exactly re-railing it. I rest my case. You just impulsively hammer out some random nonsensical reply. See if you can mange to hold off doing that when you see this post. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/63 "2023-10-05T15:53:24Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > See if you can mange to hold off doing that when you see this post. How about you just make your public profile un-hidden for 5 minutes so I can block you ? That would be my ideal solution. Bye bye. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/64 "2023-10-05T15:56:36Z")
LOL. You just can’t help yourself. I believe this compulsion is actually pathological. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/65 "2023-10-05T15:58:55Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Can we all agree that CCP’s way of working with skins is a bit strange compared to other games? Yeah, I can’t believe the dystopian-spaceship-capitalism simulator didn’t implement skins exactly the same way as Warframe. Real mind melter, that one. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/66 "2023-10-05T16:04:29Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The window lists skins when NONE are available on the market…anywhere. **utterly irrelevant** > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > What kind of a showcase is that for Eve skins ? Well, you found the words for it : it’s a showcase of eve skins. Does not mean you can afford all of them. Or even any. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Buying a skin should not be something that costs 100 times the ship itself That’s your opinion, not the one of the devs. Learn or leave. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > It should be a regular, bog standard, thing that is easy and readily available. No, it should not. It is a **showcase of skins** , to quote yourself. NOT a market. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > It is a complete **farce** to have 17 skins listed and not be able to find a single one of them anywhere in Eve. Just because you’re poor, does not mean the system is bad. It’s just not cattering to crybabies. So sad. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/67 "2023-10-05T16:05:22Z")
> [@Namdor](#): > > Yeah, I can’t believe the dystopian-spaceship-capitalism simulator didn’t implement skins exactly the same way as Warframe. Real mind melter, that one. Except that in capitalism I’d be able to pop down to Halfords and buy a can of red spray paint for £10 and not find the equivalent of some cabal of people charging £10,000 for enough red spray paint to paint a beat up old Ford Fiesta. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/68 "2023-10-05T16:08:07Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Just because you’re poor LOL. By all means think so. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/69 "2023-10-05T16:10:21Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > for £10 and not find the equivalent of some cabal of people charging £10,000 for enough red spray paint to paint a beat up old Ford Fiesta. That would be a paint job, not a skin. On a Fiesta, not on a space ship. So, **utterly irrelevant** to your issue. Except showing you’re too poor. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/70 "2023-10-05T16:12:17Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > That would be a paint job, not a skin. On a Fiesta, not on a space ship. Oh dear. Well…I can’t be bothered wasting 500 posts explaining analogies to the hard of comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/71 "2023-10-05T16:17:02Z")
And I can’t be bothered explaining that analogies are not a valid argument to the hard of comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/72 "2023-10-05T16:26:56Z")
I mean CCP determines what skins are “rare” and what skins will be “generic” tbh it should just be a rotation on the NES for all to buy. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/73 "2023-10-05T16:31:23Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > “rare” and what skins will be “generic” Why do you mean by those two terms ? > [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > tbh it should just be a rotation on the NES for all to buy. no ? Exclusivity comes at a price. And reciprocally, rarity is what makes the price, so the will to farm it. If anything, I think the acquisition method of the skin should be obvious and enforced on a long-term. “limited time” skins should not be produced outside of the _original_ limited time. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/74 "2023-10-05T16:34:54Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > I mean CCP determines what skins are “rare” and what skins will be “generic” Yes they do. It’s one of the many techniques MMOs use to keep people engaged. You want a good skin, you keep showing up. The real problem is skins like in the Crimson log in rewards. You can’t sell them. Which produces the opposite of engagement. No one is going to buy a sub for character bound skins. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/75 "2023-10-05T16:34:57Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > no ? Exclusivity comes at a price. CCP determines what is exclusive and what is not. > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Why do you mean by those two terms ? Some skins are “rare” because they are exclusive. Some skins are “generic” because everyone has them. Like valve has had really great success in having the community make skins for them to add into the various games. **Free labor------Valve gets free skins because of the community-------more money because people buy these community skins------ people are happy their skins are in a game they love.** It’s a strange hill to die on because it makes sense to have community made skins. (Within a specific theme set by CCP) That is my point. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/76 "2023-10-05T16:36:57Z")
Right that is what valve also does. Some skins are rare some are everywhere. There is a balance that can be struck, and I am sad there are no community made skins. Things can be so much better than what we have now, and I think that is what OP really meant all along. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/77 "2023-10-05T16:39:14Z")
What the ■■■■ is going on. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/78 "2023-10-05T16:44:16Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Exclusivity comes at a price. It comes at the price of people just saying ‘screw it’ when looking through a list of skins that are ridiculously expensive. It has nothing to do with how ‘poor’ anyone is. I have _better_ things to spend 2bn ISK on than a skin for a Retribution. If I had 100tn ISK I would not buy such a _rip off_ skin. Why would I want to spend _50 times what a ship costs_…just to add a skin to it ? The average person simply wants to buy a nice skin that doesn’t cost the earth. That seems to be asking too much of CCP. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/79 "2023-10-05T16:48:03Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Some skins are “generic” because everyone has them. Then no skin is generic since I create a toon, it has no skin. Only the bones. So your definition makes all skins “rare” and therefore it’s useless. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > It comes at the price of people just saying ‘screw it’ when looking through a list of skins that are ridiculously expensive. Yes, As I already said, you being poor does not make the skin unavailable. Just out of your reach. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > If I had 100tn ISK I would not buy such a _rip off_ skin. Why would I want to spend _50 times what a ship costs_…just to add a skin to it ? That’s because you’re poor. If you were rich, you would not care about a 2B skin. That issue is on you to change it. It’s not a fate. Less crying, more working, as they said. But sure it’s easier to cry. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The average person Source or GTFO. Also you can’t buy anything with the earth. That seems to be asking too much of you to stop saying nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/80 "2023-10-05T16:50:22Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Things can be so much better than what we have now, and I think that is what OP really meant all along. The current system provides limited choice of skins, limited availability, and to be frank a lot of the skins are not particularly wonderful anyway. Many are quite frankly boring. I am quite sure I could do better if a skin creator was added to Eve. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815.md?page=5)