# Time To Sort Out Ship Skins **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 5, 2023, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815 "2023-10-05T08:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/142 "2023-10-06T00:34:18Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > How’s that working out for you? Just because I look at the roadkill as it zooms by doesn’t mean I want it all over my shiny new tyres. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/143 "2023-10-06T00:38:04Z")
You are addicted to having the last word. And dishonest enough with yourself to think what you said never happened. If you say you are done replying to me, then stop replying to me… if you can. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 12:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/144 "2023-10-06T00:47:15Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > If you say you are done replying to me, then stop replying to me… if you can. By all means keep the kindergarten level of behaviour going for my amusement…while the adults discuss the actual topic. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 4:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/145 "2023-10-06T04:20:22Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Huh ? $125 to make my ship red ? Is this some special kind of red paint made from unused Amarr gold toilet paper ? There are other MMOs where I can make _anything_ I own red with two clicks of a mouse…at no cost whatever. I’m sure even CCP could manage that. Why are you comparing another game to this one? You do realize that different games provide different things? I can die in other games and not lose everything i was carrying. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > But I guess people who didn’t want their Model T Ford _only_ available in black were just being ‘entitled’…huh. And I suppose that The model T ford comes in every shade and pattern in existance? Wouldnt you have to pay someone to paint your car with the pattern and colour that you want it to be? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/146 "2023-10-06T07:18:33Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Why are you comparing another game to this one? Because I can. > [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > And I suppose that The model T ford comes in every shade and pattern in existance? No…the whole point of that reference was Henry Ford’s famous quote ’ the customer can have any colour he wants, as long as it’s black '. Model T Fords were originally _only_ available in that colour. ---
**Author:** ![Lesican](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lesican/32/448285_2.png) [@Lesican](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lesican)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/147 "2023-10-06T09:47:56Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > I want to see your personalization window with those 20 buy button next to the skins. So far mine has none. You are arguing over 2 different windows. One on the character sheet one in the fitting window. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/148 "2023-10-06T13:36:13Z")
That’s why I asked for a screenshot. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/149 "2023-10-06T13:52:03Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > That’s why I asked for a screenshot. If you’d actually logged into the game since 2019 you’d know exactly what I was talking about with reference to the ‘Personalization’ screen…as its a more recent addition…and would not need a screenshot. Incidentally, couldn’t help but be wryly amused by your earlier attempts to make out I’m ‘poor’. In one of your earlier screenshots you accidentally gave away that your own account has a mere 366K ISK in it. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/150 "2023-10-06T14:09:10Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > If you’d actually logged into the game since 2019 Which I did to provide a screenshot, funnily. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > and would not need a screenshot. So yes I still needed a screenshot. What you think is **utterly unrelated** : Whether or not you think I needed one does not change that I asked for one and provided one myself to have a basis for constructive discussion. Thank you for being so wrong it’s sad. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > that your own account has a mere 366K ISK in it. So what if my alt has 366k isk ? it’s money I forgot to remove. Just the skin I showed can sell instant for 350M. This toon has 0 isk, it prevents misclick on the market ^^ . Also I did not try to make out that you’re poor. I said just because you can’t afford, does not mean that other can’t. Which I still hold. English is a difficult language for some persons. Thanks for making personal attacks instead of constructive comments. That, with your persistent refusal of giving the related information asked, proves your goal is not discussion, but the promotion of your opinion whatever that implies, especially even when you are wrong. You are not trying to discuss, you are not trying to explain, you are not willing to change your mind. You are here to make personal attacks toward the person who disagree and explain you why. That’s all there is to your posts. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/151 "2023-10-06T14:24:48Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > So yes I still needed a screenshot. You need a screenshot to show the existence of a menu that anyone who has fitted a ship in the last 2 years knows off by heart ? > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Thanks for making personal attacks instead of constructive comments. Er, no…I was responding to _your_ personal attack. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/152 "2023-10-06T14:28:10Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > You need a screenshot to show the existence of a menu that anyone who has fitted a ship in the last 2 years knows off by heart ? I asked for a screenshot. Period. Your understanding was not required. Your compliance was. I even made a screenshot myself. You can’t pretend I ask for absurd things. I took all the steps towards a constructive discussion. Yet you decided to go over aggressive and delusional. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Er, no…I was responding to _your_ personal attack. “it’s not me, it’s you”. k. kids usually learn [Two wrongs don't make a right - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_wrongs_don%27t_make_a_right) I guess you’re not at that age yet. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/153 "2023-10-06T14:30:25Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > I asked for a screenshot. Period. I could not care less what you asked for. I already told you your posts are not worthy of a response…other than stating that fact…due to their toxicity. Go troll someone else’s threads. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/154 "2023-10-06T14:32:18Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I could not care less what you asked for. I already told you your posts are not worthy of a response…other than stating that fact…due to their toxicity. Go troll someone else’s threads. THAT is ad hominem. [https://forums.eveonline.com/faq](https://forums.eveonline.com/faq) > ## [Be Agreeable, Even When You Disagree](https://forums.eveonline.com/faq#agreeable) > > You may wish to respond to something by disagreeing with it. That’s fine. But, remember to _criticize ideas, not people_. Please avoid: > > - Name-calling. > - **Ad hominem attacks**. > - Responding to a post’s tone instead of its actual content. > - Knee-jerk contradiction. > > Instead, provide reasoned counter-arguments that improve the conversation. (bold is mine) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/155 "2023-10-06T14:46:15Z")
As I stated earlier…I don’t respond to toxic posters, other than to state that policy. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/156 "2023-10-06T14:48:20Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I don’t respond to toxic posters, other than to state that policy. Provably false by simply scrolling up and reading your posts over the last eighteen hours. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/157 "2023-10-06T17:26:33Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Also I did not try to make out that you’re poor. Ah…that must be why you said… > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > That’s because you’re poor. > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > you being poor > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Except showing you’re too poor. > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Just because you’re poor ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/158 "2023-10-06T18:00:10Z")
Well, I absolutely think CCP wastes _a lot_ of potential, both financially and player satisfaction, by not paying enough attention to the Skin System. - Most standard skins should be direcly purchasable in the NES, either single or as part of packs, for PLEX. Can be sold at the open market. → funds the game - “Navy/Police/Military” skins and “Pirate/Outlaw” skins should be available for _all ships_ of a faction. These should be only obtainable via the LP-store of this faction in exchange for LP, ISK and dogtags of the opposing faction. Can be sold at the open market. → ISK sink - Skins that were part of past events should be part of the random daily login reward skins. These can only be appled to a character of this account, they cannot be sold on the market. → incentive to login, to have a small chance to get an ultra-rare skin at some point - Skins that were rewards for special tournaments should stay unique, only offered again if such tournaments return. They are character-bound to the char that wins them in the tournament. → motivation to participate in such tournaments, unique trophy for the winner(s). ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/159 "2023-10-06T19:00:41Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Ah…that must be why you said… No, that is **utterly irrelevant** All those quotes were in the context of what you pretended before. At first I used “you can’t afford” to remain factual. Then you are trying to make general statement that could justify your opinion _a posterior_. Like claiming that 2B is “ridiculously expensive” : If it is, then you are poor. Or claiming you should have all the skins immediately : it is is, then you feel entitled. Don’t state blanket judgements if you don’t want to be pointed out for what they say about you. Fact is, you can’t afford the skins ; it does not mean they are too expensive in the general case. Your opinion is, they are “ridiculously expensive” but that opinion that you express as a general rule implies that you are poor as a general rule. Note that I don’t pretend their price is correct. But explaining why it is not requires more arguments than “I can’t afford them”. Finally, you were the one talking about isk. I was not (at first, when talking about affording) > [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > That’s because english may be difficult for you. > > If an item is not in the market, then its cost is not in ISK. > Sometimes, you need trust. Sometimes, you need empathy. Maybe you lack both ? But I already know you can’t understand that post because english may be too difficult for you. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/160 "2023-10-06T19:17:15Z")
Wow what a levelheaded response. @Altara_Zemara @Aisha_Katalen Get in on this. 🍿 🍿 A system that actually has logic to it. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/161 "2023-10-06T22:21:49Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > For @Altara_Zemara to be drug across the dirt for putting up a valid point that CCP’s skin structure is a bit strange and should be fixed is sad. An excellent point for the thread to end on. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815.md?page=9)