# Time To Sort Out Ship Skins **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 5, 2023, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815 "2023-10-05T08:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/162 "2023-10-07T08:49:22Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Because I can. Yes, you can, but it makes you look stupid. Havent you heard the old adage, “just because you can, doesnt mean you should”? > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > No…the whole point of that reference was Henry Ford’s famous quote ’ the customer can have any colour he wants, as long as it’s black '. Model T Fords were originally _only_ available in that colour. Sure, but any car company in existance right now, does not have a car that comes in every shade and pettern in existance, does it? That was my point. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/163 "2023-10-07T10:36:46Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Sure, but any car company in existance right now, does not have a car that comes in every shade and pettern in existance, does it? Never heard of spray paint ? I can spray paint my car any damned colour I want. I can even spray ’ Solonious wastes irretrievable seconds of my life with trivial objections’ down the side of it if I want. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Nijushiho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doctor_nijushiho/32/385189_2.png) [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doctor_Nijushiho)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/164 "2023-10-07T13:28:49Z")
The pedantic, condescending, and lawyer-esque responses to OP about what “available" means despite clarity of his request - that everything be available to buy - is the toxicity of Eve. Why are any of you even arguing with him? You know what he meant. You owning it doesn’t make it available in his mind and you know that. Stop being such a bunch of jerks. ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/165 "2023-10-07T18:01:20Z")
Can we talk about skins that only last for a limited amount of time? Like you are renting it. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/166 "2023-10-07T18:23:46Z")
No. Nobody likes them. Nobody uses them. Talking about them are a waste of time and breath. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/167 "2023-10-08T06:59:55Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Never heard of spray paint ? I can spray paint my car any damned colour I want. I can even spray ’ Solonious wastes irretrievable seconds of my life with trivial objections’ down the side of it if I want. And once every other MMO game like World of Warcraft, Star citizen, BDO, and Guild wars 2 lets you customize and add and remove and paint anything in whatever pattern youd like to your belongings, you can come back to me and I will admit that EVE is behind everyone else. Until then, no. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/168 "2023-10-08T15:04:38Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > and remove and paint anything in whatever pattern youd like to your belongings Well of course, I mean it’s Eve…so the skill queue for painting your ship would be something like… Level V Holding A Spray Can…22 days Advanced Holding A Spray Can III…4 days Infomorphic Colour Comprehension IV…16 days Having a Tea Break II…4 days Colour Scheme Dislike Shield V…24 days Advanced Not Caring What Anyone Thinks Of Your Ship Colour III…6 days ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/169 "2023-10-08T23:14:49Z")
> [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](#): > > The pedantic, condescending, and lawyer-esque responses to OP about what “available" means despite clarity of his request - that everything be available to buy - is the toxicity of Eve. Yes because being correct is toxic We should all instead agree with the OP when they are wrong so they feel like the special snowflake they are, do we need to start issuing participation trophies aswell? ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/170 "2023-10-09T00:21:03Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Well of course, I mean it’s Eve…so the skill queue for painting your ship would be something like… > > Level V Holding A Spray Can…22 days > Advanced Holding A Spray Can III…4 days > Infomorphic Colour Comprehension IV…16 days > Having a Tea Break II…4 days > Colour Scheme Dislike Shield V…24 days > Advanced Not Caring What Anyone Thinks Of Your Ship Colour III… World of warcraft allowing you to paint your armor and weapons in any colour and pattern youd like V… 90 years. Once that skill finishes, then maybe you should be able to paint your ship. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/171 "2023-10-09T00:31:10Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > We should all instead agree with the OP when they are wrong How does someone’s opinion get to be ‘wrong’ ? If I say I don’t like tomatoes, I am no more ‘wrong’ to not like them than you are to not like any food you don’t like. Or are you one of those people who thinks you are the only person entitled to an opinion ? That sort does seem rather prevalent on these forums. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/172 "2023-10-09T00:38:06Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Once that skill finishes, then maybe you should be able to paint your ship. Meh. CCP can either listen to their customers or not. The customer is king. I do not for one minute believe that those holding the market hostage with 9bn ISK Retribution skins represent even the tiniest slither of customers. The changes I want will happen. Get used to it. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/173 "2023-10-09T00:42:19Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > How does someone’s opinion get to be ‘wrong’ ? If I say I don’t like tomatoes, I am no more ‘wrong’ to not like them than you are to not like any food you don’t like. Or are you one of those people who thinks you are the only person entitled to an opinion ? That sort does seem rather prevalent on these forums Well, no. You can have an opinion and it could still be wrong. If someone says White people are better than Black people, it could be their opinion, but they would be wrong. You can have an opinion about anything, and you could be wrong about your opinion if it clashes with reality. Opinion just means “how I feel about something”. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/175 "2023-10-09T00:46:54Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > CCP can either listen to their customers or not. The customer is king. Most of the customers here are not very receptive to your position. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I do not for one minute believe that those holding the market hostage with 9bn ISK Retribution skins represent even the tiniest slither of customers. The changes I want will happen. Get used to it. I agree. And all those people holding ships hostage, like selling a Titan for 80 billion isk, are wrong!!! They should be selling titans for 100 isk so that I can afford it. Come to think of it, my grocery store is holding food hostage by pricing a can of beans for $3.50. It should be 1 cent! Everything should be 1 cent so i can afford all of it. Otherwise, its being held hostage! See how ridiculous you sound. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/176 "2023-10-09T00:50:17Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > See how ridiculous you sound. Nope…I see the complete reverse in your wild exaggerations and hyperbole and need to take every example to some extreme scenario…when all a customer wants to do is be able to paint their frikin ship, lol. A closer analogy to your silly scenario would be a law preventing people from growing their own beans. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/177 "2023-10-09T00:58:55Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Nope…I see the complete reverse in your wild exaggerations and hyperbole and need to take every example to some extreme scenario… The market decides the price of something. I can list my laptop, which cost 3000 dollars to buy, on ebay for 5,000 dollars. It will never sell, because no one will buy my laptop for that ridiculous price when they can pay 3000 and buy from the store directly. But tomorrow, when a chip shortage causes a complete stop in all manufactured laptops, that lasts for 2, 3 years, then there are going to be people who pay 4000, 5000 for a laptop. The market sets the price. If the person who lists the skin for 9bn never sells his skin, then he loses out on all the listing fees and is out isk. He essentially loses isk. Theres nothing wrong with that. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > A closer analogy to your silly scenario would be a law preventing people from growing their own beans. A closer analogy to your silly opinion would be a law preventing people from making their own drugs. The original opinion you had, of how the market is ridiculous and stupid for listing a skin for 9bn, or listing skins that you cannot currently obtain, is stupid. Much like, how I cannot walk into a pharmacy and pick up a bottle of Percocets, without a prescription, is stupid. Your solution, is therefore based off that stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/179 "2023-10-09T01:18:29Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Oh gawd. Once again you seem to feel the need to introduce the most hyperbole verbal splurge. How about bringing global warming into it next…as you’ve managed to introduce just about everything else…lol. So you have an issue with my objection to your solution, but you admit that the initial problem you had was stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/180 "2023-10-09T19:07:38Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > How does someone’s opinion get to be ‘wrong’ ? Because when he claims a fact and is incorrect that isn’t an opinion, thats called being wrong, because the skins are available, just not to him > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Or are you one of those people who thinks you are the only person entitled to an opinion ? What i have stated isn’t an opinion though, its fact 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/181 "2023-10-11T00:07:34Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > What i have stated isn’t an opinion though, its fact Nope. It’s just your own personal opinion. Which a unit of measurement small enough has not yet been invented for me to indicate it’s value to me or contribution to the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/182 "2023-10-11T00:34:41Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Nope. It’s just your own personal opinion. I mean, thats your opinion, and you’re entitled to it, but its still wrong 🙂 The skins are available, just not to you, this doesn’t change that they are still, infact, available, like, i get that its probably triggering your OCD something fierce that you’ll never be able to get it, but that doesn’t change objective reality 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815/183 "2023-10-11T03:44:59Z")
TLDR : OP : “The items that are listed I can’t get them now ! This is not normal, I must have access to the skins listed wherever I am !” PPL : “Place a buy order, check contracts, go on the forum” OP : “No I can’t pay that much. They are too expensive !” PPL : “Yes but you being poor does not make them not available” OP : " YES if they are not available to me they are not available to nobody !" PPL : “Well that is wrong, those skins I have some in cargo” OP : “YOU CANT TELL ME MY OPINION IS WRONG ! How can you !” PPL : “When your opinion requires or implies verifiable facts, then we can verify those facts. When they can’t be verified, your opinion is wrong. That is how we can.” OP : “You are trying to derail the topic by answering the trivial question I asked ! I like tomato and you can’t say I’m wrong !” OP then proceeds to make stupid analogies to change the goalpost and insult anybody who disagrees with him. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/time-to-sort-out-ship-skins/422815.md?page=10)