# \[Tinfoil Hat Active\] CCP Falcon wants to create more conflict **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 9, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228 "2019-08-09T14:24:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/61 "2019-08-22T07:52:23Z")
Umm, not sure if you’ve been keeping up with current events but the sandbox turning into a PvE biased game is already happening. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/62 "2019-08-22T07:52:38Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > No, you’re advocating the removal of one of the very few risks left in hisec There is risk in everything in high sec, you just want to abuse people ---
**Author:** ![Ravid\_Bheskagor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ravid_bheskagor/32/472687_2.png) [@Ravid\_Bheskagor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ravid_Bheskagor)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/63 "2019-08-22T07:55:27Z")
More ship combat is good. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/64 "2019-08-22T08:11:26Z")
Haha, I just want to abuse people? You may wish to check yourself before you wreck yourself, because you’re barking up the wrong tree there. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/65 "2019-08-22T08:17:41Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > There is risk in everything in high sec Belt Rats are dangerous? In what way? ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/66 "2019-08-22T08:53:20Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Belt Rats are dangerous? In what way? Your being silly now. They are dangerous to new players who dont know better. But out side of that you have real risk, in wars, in incursions, in all sorts of various forms of the game, not even combat related, you can lose isk even, hell you could even consider scamming risk. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/67 "2019-08-22T09:00:23Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > They are dangerous to new players who dont know better. Now you are being silly. Tutorial missions have harder rats. This would suggest you consider High Sec to exist for new players, is this a fair reading? > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > But out side of that you have real risk, in wars Which you now have to opt in for, and most highsec corps of any size these days opt out of and put their structures into holding corps > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > incursions No threat whatsoever. You move one or two systems over and done. > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > in all sorts of various forms of the game, not even combat related Those would have nothing to do with ship loss then, and so are not relevent to why you want to remove ganking as a high sec risk. > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > hell you could even consider scamming risk. I could but not being a moron helps mitigate that to zero. Triglavians are the only actual risk to asset loss in High Sec short of choosing to do missions you arent prepared for, and they arent hard to avoid. Are you for or against Triglavians attacking players in High Sec? ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/68 "2019-08-22T09:24:49Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Now you are being silly. Tutorial missions have harder rats. > > This would suggest you consider High Sec to exist for new players, is this a fair reading? I do agree those rats should be harder, but that does not validate that there is no risk in high sec, th at is a asinine position. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Which you now have to opt in for, and most highsec corps of any size these days opt out of and put their structures into holding corps First, I do not agree on the conditions for war eligibility, that being said, SO WHAT GET OVER IT NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO PVP. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > No threat whatsoever. You move one or two systems over and done. Thats also a lie, Iv done incursions and has bling fleets drop in and try to gank the 4-6b bs’s in my group. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Those would have nothing to do with ship loss then, and so are not relevent to why you want to remove ganking as a high sec risk. RISK DOES NOT REQUIRE SHIP LOSS AS A CONDITION TO EXIST. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/69 "2019-08-22T09:35:04Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > I do agree those rats should be harder, but that does not validate that there is no risk in high sec, th at is a asinine position. No it isnt. What’s asinine is losing a ship to a 8 dps rat in a 0.8 system. And if thats too much risk, just move to a 1.0 system. There is no risk from High Sec Belt Rats, certainly no more than from a Goldshire boar in Warcraft, and your admission that you think their risk level should be increased pretty much proves you agree with the statement, but are simply arguing because you have a personal grievance of some kind with me. > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > SO WHAT GET OVER IT NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO PVP. So why do you want the game changed instead of taking the very simple measures it currently takes to avoid PvP? > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > Thats also a lie, Iv done incursions That has literally nothing to do with being at risk from them in High Sec. If they are a risk you dont want to take, dont do them. They are completely consentual. > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > RISK DOES NOT REQUIRE SHIP LOSS AS A CONDITION TO EXIST. No, but short of being scammed its one place where you have a lot of control over how likely it is to happen. PvP in high sec is entirely easy to avoid, but you keep making a case that it should always be opt in rather than opt out. Do you think its too hard to avoid it? ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/70 "2019-08-22T09:49:37Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > No it isnt. What’s asinine is losing a ship to a 8 dps rat in a 0.8 system. And if thats too much risk, just move to a 1.0 system. > There is no risk from High Sec Belt Rats, certainly no more than from a Goldshire boar in Warcraft, and your admission that you think their risk level should be increased pretty much proves you agree with the statement, but are simply arguing because you have a personal grievance of some kind with me. No, you brought up the high sec rats as a form of argumentation to try to prove there is no risk in high sec. You took the most extreme part of high sec and tried to make it as if all of high sec is that dangerous, Which is intellectually dishonest. Those Rats in eve are part of base code, and touching them is probably not a viable option at the moment. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > That has literally nothing to do with being at risk from them in High Sec. If they are a risk you dont want to take, dont do them. They are completely consentual. People try to suicide gank incursion players because of their officer/deadspace mods. Its not consentual, another one of the reasons that suicide ganking needs to go. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > No, but short of being scammed its one place where you have a lot of control over how likely it is to happen. Scamming happens A LOT. the scammers are creative and have done things that are really out there, even creating websites to make it really look official, but its not. some of them are intelligent and work well (and those ones generally get banned by ccp). Then we go back to the old ddays when you can rename a t1 cruiser to a hacs name and almost perfectly pass it off as a hack (out side of one small option to inspec in the inspector) > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > PvP in high sec is entirely easy to avoid, but you keep making a case that it should always be opt in rather than opt out. Your right, If the delete suicide it will be, until then, ■■■■■■■■. Do you know why we know that? Because 52% of the wars in this game have 132 KDA - 0 Ratio in wars. NO OTHER PLACE IN THIS GAME DOES THAT NOT EVEN EXTREMELY GOOD NULL PLAYERS. **ANY OTHER COMPANY WOULD OF DELETED THAT CRAP IN A HEART BEAT AND YOU AND CCP ARE IDIOTS FOR TRYING TO SAY ITS GOOD.** ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/71 "2019-08-22T09:58:51Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > No, you brought up the high sec rats as a form of argumentation to try to prove there is no risk in high sec. You took the most extreme part of high sec and tried to make it as if all of high sec is that dangerous, Which is intellectually dishonest. > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > There is risk in everything in high sec Your words not mine. If you cannot explain how Belt Rats are a risk, then have some backbone and either bring the evidence or recant your statement. > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > Those Rats in eve are part of base code, and touching them is probably not a viable option at the moment. Another baseless statement. Proof? > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > People try to suicide gank incursion players because Which has what to do with your position that with ganking removed Highsec Incursions are a risk? > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > Scamming happens A LOT Well you would know. > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > creating websites to make it really look official, but its not. some of them are intelligent and work well (and those ones generally get banned by ccp). And again, has literally nothing to do with your position that High Sec has plenty of risk without suicide ganking. Out of game websites are not in High Sec. > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > If the delete suicide it will be What is it about suicide ganking that you feel is currently hard to avoid though? Ypu keep making this case, yet have not supported it? > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > YOU AND CCP ARE IDIOTS FOR TRYING TO SAY ITS GOOD. Actually all Ive said is that you are wrong about there being risk in everything High Sec. ---
**Author:** ![Naari\_Naarian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/naari_naarian/32/173077_2.png) [@Naari\_Naarian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Naari_Naarian)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/72 "2019-08-22T10:09:19Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > If you cannot explain how Belt Rats are a risk, then have some backbone and either bring the evidence or recant your statement. The statement was made, and its true. People die to rats, even if they are noobish. Get over it. More importantly to the point, your pathetic for trying to say the only risk in high sec is suicide gankers, you egotistical pleb. This is how every conversation with you go’s your like a 3 year old who needs attention, damaged goods. When you cant get your way you whine, and try to hide under a rock with some stupid assinine comment like “OMG high sec has no risk look at rats!”. You are literally a waste of time, and air. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/73 "2019-08-22T10:20:30Z")
> [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > Get over it. > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > your pathetic > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > you egotistical pleb. > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > This is how every conversation with you go’s your like a 3 year old who needs attention, damaged goods > [@Naari\_Naarian](#): > > You are literally a waste of time, and air. You are unable to actually have an adult discussion, arent you? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/74 "2019-08-22T10:34:19Z")
There’s so much irony, on several levels, in the quotes that there’s a risk of an irony singularity occurring. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/75 "2019-08-22T10:35:54Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Umm, not sure if you’ve been keeping up with current events but the sandbox turning into a PvE biased game is already happening. Fair comment and I’m not going to disagree with you there, whether or not it’s a good thing is what we’d argue about. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/76 "2019-08-22T11:03:16Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Belt Rats are dangerous? In what way? Come on man, you gotta be kidding or you’re just trolling. Ask all the brand new players just starting out in the game, they don’t have any skills or knowledge on how to fit ships, let along how to actually engage with the rats. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/77 "2019-08-22T11:06:09Z")
No DeMichael, Im not. High Sec Belt Rats are not a genuine threat. Even an unfit Venture can warp away at leisure before they do any more than slightly dent the shields. In any case, the statement he made was that there is risk in everything in High Sec. Surely you dont agree with that position? ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/78 "2019-08-22T11:26:55Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > High Sec Belt Rats are not a genuine threat. Even an unfit Venture can warp away at leisure before they do any more than slightly dent the shields. If a newbie gets killed by normal high sec belt NPC he’s afk, for that I have no sympathy. The new Recon Trigs however are a very different story. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/79 "2019-08-22T11:30:49Z")
> [@Theron\_Larkis](#): > > The new Recon Trigs however are a very different story. Oh totally. I mentioned them seperately because they are a totally different ballgame. And yes, they can be a threat, certainly. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2019, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/tinfoil-hat-active-ccp-falcon-wants-to-create-more-conflict/181228/80 "2019-08-22T11:45:44Z")
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