# Titan of Industry coming through **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 25, 2019, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604 "2019-11-25T07:56:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/81 "2019-12-09T22:51:15Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Consistently making a profit in other markets are large scales is less likely not necessarily. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/82 "2019-12-09T22:54:46Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > not necessarily. Nothings absolute. But in terms of scale itd be interesting to figure out. I know you haul to Jita for instance. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/83 "2019-12-09T23:02:33Z")
I don’t only sell to jita. And just because I do it does not mean it’s the best thing to do. Remember, I learn every day. More important : the reactivity of the market is more important in Jita. Which means, when you place a sell order, it’s cut in the hour - sometimes in the minute. Updating your orders every day is necessary, so your “consistent” profit is not that obvious. Let’s say that the volume is a tenth in another place, but the reactivity is in the 20H instead of the 20min that you have in jita. (reactivity as the average time a SO placed remains the best - use the time, so it’s actually the inverse of the reactivity but it’s easier to understand). On average, you make 6 time more benefit by order update. There is often more than meets the eye. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/84 "2019-12-09T23:05:26Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Updating your orders every day is necessary, so your “consistent” profit is not that obvious. I think this depends. Eventually bottom orders clear and the sell price comes back up and people buy your orders. I’m to a point where I usually clear all orders in about 2 days or maybe 3. Bit without racing to bottom ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/85 "2019-12-09T23:08:54Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Eventually bottom orders clear and the sell price comes back up and people buy your orders. It’s not consistent. If you follow the market then you don’t make a huge margin. Some very good offers are only available for a very short window. You need to take that “eventually” into account. doing a 20% margin after a day, and doing it after a week, are really two very different values. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/86 "2019-12-09T23:10:16Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > then you don’t make a huge margin I don’t need huge margin because my strategy has been to sell huge volume. Theres probably consideration of risk of haulage determining which strategy to use ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/87 "2019-12-09T23:14:46Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > I don’t need huge margin because my strategy has been to sell huge volume. Then you are doing it wrong. > [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Theres probably consideration of risk of haulage determining which strategy to use That’s why you are doing it wrong. Margin takes into account the fact that you invest money, time, etc., in order to make a product. That’s the gain of your investment. If you don’t pay yourself for the job you did and the money you invested, then you are actually paying other people with your job. Respect yourself, require a decent margin. Also it will make you make more benefit in the long run. 100M isk/h is BS if you have a 1% margin and you don’t actually take into account your time investment. your own investment is also a limiting factor. You have to choose where you place your money, time. If you don’t understand that, no issue. It took me a while to realize I was losing my effort, investment, and time. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/88 "2019-12-09T23:41:36Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Then you are doing it wrong I dont think so. I get to live close to jita. Compete in most competitive space of EvE. And make pretty good isk at very low risk. It’s done very well for me so far. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/89 "2019-12-09T23:43:44Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > ATM I have 41 T1/meta items that are worth building Sorry the above might be kinda old news. I was seeking profitable t1 industry stuff. But I just landed on Fuel blocks. Turns out their margins are low but can make 10s of thousands of them ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/90 "2019-12-10T00:02:56Z")
fuel blocks would be worth building for me if their SO was above 26-27 k /u. Now I buy the materials so it’s not really comparable. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/91 "2019-12-10T00:04:28Z")
Yeah but your haulage is different than mine because of where you are and what you’re doing. We necessarily must have different strategies. I dont think the value strategy you go for can really work being so close to Jita as I am. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 12:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/92 "2019-12-10T00:08:56Z")
if I was building directly in jita IV-4 there still would be 16 interesting items. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/93 "2019-12-10T00:10:21Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > if I was building directly in jita IV-4 there still would be 16 interesting items At T1 maybe…but I lost interest finding them when I could just grow in scale for now ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/94 "2019-12-10T00:11:33Z")
Well as long as you enjoy your activity … ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/95 "2019-12-10T00:15:47Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Well as long as you enjoy your activity So far its passive enough but I’ll admit having more haulage would make it MORE passive ---
**Author:** ![Andre\_Matar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andre_matar/32/296078_2.png) [@Andre\_Matar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andre_Matar)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/96 "2019-12-10T07:17:21Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > I think this depends. Eventually bottom orders clear and the sell price comes back up and people buy your orders. Adam4Eve uses a metric called market saturation to model this. Basically volume traded (per day?) vs quantity of items listed as open orders at the time. It is useful if combined with other metrics such as orders per day, volume traded per day, and number of active competitors. ---
**Author:** ![Andre\_Matar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andre_matar/32/296078_2.png) [@Andre\_Matar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andre_Matar)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/97 "2019-12-10T07:21:46Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > (reactivity as the average time a SO placed remains the best - use the time, so it’s actually the inverse of the reactivity but it’s easier to understand I call the inverse “competition” and just add up the number of buy or sell orders that seem to have been updated in the last couple of days to gauge if I want to enter that market. ---
**Author:** ![Andre\_Matar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andre_matar/32/296078_2.png) [@Andre\_Matar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andre_Matar)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2019, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/98 "2019-12-10T07:26:25Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > I’m to a point where I usually clear all orders in about 2 days or maybe 3. Bit without racing to bottom That is probably because you are in the P2 market, and P2 sells like hot cakes in Jita. 😊 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/titan-of-industry-coming-through/202604/99 "2020-03-09T07:26:26Z")
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