# To Citizens and Capsuleers of Caldari State in regard to Protests caused by Pirate Subversion **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Tags:** caldari\ **Created:** [April 28, 2021, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-citizens-and-capsuleers-of-caldari-state-in-regard-to-protests-caused-by-pirate-subversion/308228 "2021-04-28T08:32:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 76
**Author:** ![Duke\_Shasta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duke_shasta/32/495942_2.png) [@Duke\_Shasta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duke_Shasta)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-citizens-and-capsuleers-of-caldari-state-in-regard-to-protests-caused-by-pirate-subversion/308228/76 "2021-04-30T18:26:49Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > Seems pretty clear what _you_ would trust. But it seems pretty clear that you are either a Gurista operative yourself or someone sharing in their chaotic ambitions. Either way, nobody _cares_ who you would trust, because you are a nobody with a crystal clear bias. I trust what I see over what somebody says. The only way I’ll trust someone’s word over what I see is if the person was actually present at the incident. And no, I’m not a Gurista operative. Do I sympathize with them? Yes. But I couldn’t care less about their ambitions in this incident. And no, I’m not a nobody. I’m a duke from the Amarr empire, exiled only due to a family feud and petty politics. > [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > And legitimize this nonsense and enable a new cycle of ridiculous narrative the likes of “Oh, that footage showing nothing is fake! Oh, its clear that these witnesses are being forced to obey!”? Oh, please. All I want is some proof from Lai Dai that shows what actually happened. If it shows that the video is indeed a fabrication, great! Really, I don’t want to topple the Caldari State, I want to hold it accountable! > [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > Again, no court of law across the civilized cluster would accept that thing as evidence, and for good reason. The courts of Dam-Vishen would accept it, as they would any piece of evidence! And since you brought up the courts, I’ll tell you this. If someone tried to make a case of libel and slander by just going up to the stand and denying an incident that is being shown on video, they would be laughed out of court, because any party trying to deny something that is clearly shown on video or has been testified to by an eyewitness, must show similar proof! > [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > I know you are being deliberately obtuse here and arguing in bad faith Am I? I am open to the possibility that Lai Dai is actually being framed here. I am just suspicious of their refusal to provide proof that the video was a fabrication! Again, I hope that Lai Dai is being framed! I hope that this is all a fabrication. But if not, I want Lai Dai held accountable! --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-citizens-and-capsuleers-of-caldari-state-in-regard-to-protests-caused-by-pirate-subversion/308228)._