# TO Crowd Control Productions, CSM & Eve Community **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 29, 2021, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846 "2021-03-29T09:56:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/103 "2021-03-29T16:02:23Z")
Then they try to perpetrate the same frauds on the forum, and use some excuse for policy. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/104 "2021-03-29T16:57:16Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/6/5/a65e202b19c516fea5ea5f687daf38e46a6ed583.jpeg "Rockwell Retro Encabulator") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w) Memes aside, I was in signals intelligence when I was in the Marines, and one day my buddy and I got tasked at the last second to fill in for our ops chief in giving a presentation to some infantry officers about what we did. Before the presentation, my buddy asks me to let him do the talking, and I happily obliged. I then listened to about 20 minutes of buzzwords, jargon, and complex syntax that sounded remarkably like you. I was his coworker, and I didn’t even know what the ■■■■ he was talking about. At the end, he asked if there were any questions, and there were none. So we left. When we got out of the room, I asked, “what the ■■■■ was that? I didn’t even know what you were talking about.” And he says, “I’m not trying to spend 2 hours breaking it down Barney style for those idiots. Now, come on. Let’s go get lunch.” I don’t know if you were trolling, or sincerely trying to communicate your ideas, but I assure you that you packaged them in a way that few people are going to read, and fewer are going to understand. Thus, if your goal is to inform, educate, or persuade, I suggest that you strive to present your ideas and arguments in a way that (1) keeps your audience’s attention and (2) is easily digestible. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to proactively enable the intake of caloric resources in order to maintain robust functionality. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/105 "2021-03-29T17:04:12Z")
Hey man, you want to get lunch? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/106 "2021-03-29T17:05:03Z")
> [@Bernie\_Nator](#): > > Hey man, you want to get lunch? Enabling cellular respiration for the purposes of maintaining acceptable levels of ATP production is indeed highly advisable at this stage of the circadian cycle. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/107 "2021-03-29T21:13:33Z")
Oh and please, if anyone is trying to do that to you, let me know so I can report them for you if you are too scared to mention it because they try to silence you with their almighty powers. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/108 "2021-03-29T21:19:17Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > I don’t know if you were trolling, or sincerely trying to communicate your ideas, but I assure you that you packaged them in a way that few people are going to read, and fewer are going to understand. Thus, if your goal is to inform, educate, or persuade, I suggest that you strive to present your ideas and arguments in a way that (1) keeps your audience’s attention and (2) is easily digestible. I didn’t post that video but I can go over some of the logic which we went over about the understanding and how the human brain interprets knowledge, and how it’s related to understanding , and how it’s better when not forced upon others, and when it is better so , forced upon others. Also, if someone attacks my work and , want me to explain it to them when attacked, I can’t explain it to them as good as when I’m not attacked. So, if they attack me for 100 years, they might very well figure it out then. Especially so even more true if the information designed for them in combat is about when it’s going to be possible for them to be understanding it when in more peace towards that knowledge. If they are adverse to knowledge and favor other knowledge, for preference reason or other security reasons, they may also find out why and how it’s possible that it is harder for them to understand, while at the same not requiring them to get a doctorate degree in 7 years of studies, to be able to explain it to children, or, other professionals like you. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/109 "2021-03-29T21:25:48Z")
Additionally, if it’s on the forums, it’s not meant to be a digestible one shot, one part oral essay which , in this case, I might as well just make an audio recording of to convey the message. This is a written form of communication which is not requiring keys or other diversion about lack of understanding when it’s applied in a school or a lab for information system when you get a pesky student disturbing the whole class about his lack of understanding and pressing the fact that, no, he can’t understand, he can’t learn nothing, and he paid to learn something, when everybody else did their homework, and learned what they did have to, without abusing others about their lack of knowledge. They didn’t go to an information system lab to attack others about capitalization with lack of knowledge when it is clear that the information in the course is to be learned and related to learning and, that the way they can learn it is by studying it. They didn’t have to be asking why an information system in a forum, which forums, by the way, we didn’t use, because we had to do all of our studies and systems analysis without computers and not to do propaganda about project we didn’t do and work we didn’t submit in time within deadlines. You ask me to submit work in 1 to 2 minutes which takes me 35 years of work to do which a court seek to forfeit. Well, sorry, I do deal with other military who do so know what I’m talking about including the Pentagon. They don’t ask me to explain them what I mean when I talk to them about knowledge of facts I have to protect my work for with their copyright office because they know that it’s what it’s for and not only to prevent photocopies and computers to copy them when they are intended to be copied, and detect modification from those copies over time. ---
**Author:** ![Evelyn\_Kravitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evelyn_kravitz/32/264140_2.png) [@Evelyn\_Kravitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Evelyn_Kravitz)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/110 "2021-03-29T21:30:53Z")
Hey Okay. I am not at all trolling here nor am I using any buzzwords. In real life , I don’t have much experience apart from working in UNDP and interning at companies who had the same problems as CCP. Consumers would buy and try out the product, then they would stop using the product. I am trying to present a much broader picture here. Most pilots here have not made any meaningful addition to what I have discussed . Within 10 minutes after I posted, I was asked to be in jail If I were to extend further; I will have to take data from eve who and both zkill . And use active kill boards of chars signed up across 3 months set across one year as a good measure to prove myself while taking into their corp history into the account Then quantify the data and also cross relay any major changes in the activity with events in null sec and quadrant release . The same way this has been done but much more work: > **[r/Eve - Analysis of the active participants involved in player vs player...](https://amp.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/m9g35x/analysis_of_the_active_participants_involved_in/)** > > 421 votes and 214 comments so far on Reddit ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/111 "2021-03-29T21:31:59Z")
It shouldn’t come as a surprise that , when you do so explain, that, if you’re attacked , that, it’s obvious you are. I do know when I am and the military police tell me I am that yes, they would try to abuse my kid the same way , and that yes, they are not right doing it, and that yes, I do not only have the right to have him and my work somewhere protected from that police who provide security to society , but , also ensures that he too has rights from those intellectual property which he first has the right to know, and benefit from. I don’t need people to attack my work that he is intended to benefit from. That is immoral. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/112 "2021-03-29T21:42:36Z")
I’m currently busy with saving other data I wrote about knowledge and understanding in relation with how people cause a lack of perception in others which lack of perception in others is also found in computer lab during both coding intense sessions per day, and when the teachers teaches information to the students because that, if they don’t concentrate on the subject, and interrupt with lack of knowledge, they will interfere against everyone else’s learning, when they can simply catch up otherwise. It’s not intended to leave them behind. If they miss a part they can catch up later when they have time for it, and, without disrupting others when they are actually busy learning what others claim they don’t know, including when they wrongfully claim they don’t know, with intent to interfere against the person expressing the information at hand. ---
**Author:** ![Evelyn\_Kravitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evelyn_kravitz/32/264140_2.png) [@Evelyn\_Kravitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Evelyn_Kravitz)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/113 "2021-03-29T21:43:10Z")
Hi. I apologise for wasting your time like this. Give me a year Or 6 months; I will break everything down in an ordered manner and explain the issue . With all the data present. It would be 80-90 pages of analysis . It’s worth the effort. If Crowd Control can solve retention without spending a vast amount of time , money and resources ; Eve will improve a lot. Both the CSM and the company itself overlook the sub problems that I mentioned. Eve Community has over the years fostered “Adapt or Die” mindset. While that phrase is good for smack talking in local, it is suicide for CCP as a business Also “Its either this or High Sec”. Reflects on the fact that consumers are unable to find incentives even though they exist. in a sandbox, it comes down to the development team to deliver those incentives directly ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/114 "2021-03-29T21:45:52Z")
> [@lilsteel](#): > > I didn’t post that video but I can … I didn’t actually write that. I wrote and not only intended to write that I did post that video earlier, however, I also do register copyright about my works due to attacks against the integrity of my works. I also know about the UN Development and the Office of the High Commissioner and many others if not all. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/115 "2021-03-29T21:47:20Z")
> [@Evelyn\_Kravitz](#): > > I apologise for wasting your time like this. Give me a year Or 6 months; I will break everything down in an ordered manner and explain the issue . > With all the data present. It would be 80-90 pages of analysis . It’s worth the effort. I already have to transfer over 300,000 pages to Europe for my marriage and I’m afraid that I really won’t have time for that. Also, I don’t have the goal of the project you mention, not the value , or potential value, which could be verified if feasible. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/116 "2021-03-29T21:49:24Z")
Additionally, submit this to the proper authorities for your project as I don’t work for CCP nor am I affiliated with them at this time. This report or info is more directed at them and their direction than mine. ---
**Author:** ![lilsteel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lilsteel/32/272085_2.png) [@lilsteel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/lilsteel)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/117 "2021-03-29T21:51:18Z")
If I was them I would verify the facts and not base my work on assumptions without tests. I would test facts to make sure they are as accurate as recorded to be. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/118 "2021-03-29T21:52:13Z")
No need to apologize. By the way, CCP does value new player retention and have been working on the issue (such as by introducing The Agency, adding and tweaking the NPE, streamlining character creation, and so on). Obviously, there’s still room for improvement, but they’re working on it. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/119 "2021-03-29T22:26:14Z")
I suspect that CCP has very little interest in recruiting free to play AFK bears who just want to grind for easy isk. ---
**Author:** ![Evelyn\_Kravitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evelyn_kravitz/32/264140_2.png) [@Evelyn\_Kravitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Evelyn_Kravitz)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/120 "2021-03-30T02:56:38Z")
Hey Aiko, I believe we can emphasize here. The cost omega clone is 15$ per month. While this is not a very high cost for someone living in United States ; It’s a lot for someone living in SEA as 15$ here pays your electricity bill and grocery bills. One can easily PLEX himself by running T3/T4 abyss. The more demand there is for PLEX, the more good it is. That said, CCP does not recruit and people are AFK not because they want to but it’s the inherent nature of sandbox itself. Anybody who has ran his 50th Haven site knows what I am talking about ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/121 "2021-03-30T10:51:24Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Then you were in breach of the EULA and need to go to jail. What are you in for? : Robbery You: At aged six I logged on to Eve online. @Ramona - come on man, put the troll mask down from time to time. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2021, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846/122 "2021-03-30T10:56:19Z")
Or, alternatively, grow a sense of humour. Its a troll OP to begin with. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-crowd-control-productions-csm-eve-community/302846.md?page=7)