# To end The War **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [September 2, 2017, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511 "2017-09-02T15:58:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/185 "2017-09-06T22:13:11Z")
The threat comes from enemy capsuleers, Diana. You use the installation to draw them out. Or are you just so much of a coward that you prey on baseliners? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/186 "2017-09-06T22:17:52Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > The threat comes from enemy capsuleers, Diana. You use the installation to draw them out. Or are you just so much of a coward that you prey on baseliners? Even more ignorance, just great. Public records are called public, because even such pubbie as you could see them, and see what I kill. Or do you simply enjoy being humiliated in front of everyone because you opened your mouth before checking facts first? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/187 "2017-09-06T22:25:53Z")
And how often do public records include capsuleer on baseliner stats? Faugh. Why am I even discussing this with someone who continues to tacitly admit she’s a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Ria\_Nieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ria_nieyli/32/447728_2.png) [@Ria\_Nieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ria_Nieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/188 "2017-09-06T22:38:54Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > pubbie 🤕 ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/189 "2017-09-06T22:47:02Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > who continues to tacitly admit she’s a liar. Oh, you even have hallucinations now? Go visit a doctor. I am not sure they could treat CDS, but give it a try. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/190 "2017-09-06T23:06:32Z")
Well, [you haven’t refuted it](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/minmatar-rebellion-was-a-catastrophe/21575/90?u=arrendis), now have you? That’s tacit confirmation, Di-di. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/191 "2017-09-06T23:33:21Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Technically, bigger than a corvette, and corvette aren’t allowed access to majority on military installation, frigates usually have somewhat significant crew. I guess that’s true of the ones you might run into guarding various sites, Ms. Kim. Ours have only ourselves, though. ((CCP has waffled on this issue over time. Latest source: “Frigates of Eve Online: The Cross Sections,” which is pretty clear on the subject. Every single listed frigate, without exception, has a crew of 1-- the capsuleer.)) ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/193 "2017-09-07T01:47:46Z")
(( I’d think after thousands of years, we could probably do better for charge storage than acid baths, but future projections of technology are always ridiculous. )) ---
**Author:** ![Elmund\_Egivand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elmund_egivand/32/11038_2.png) [@Elmund\_Egivand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elmund_Egivand)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/194 "2017-09-07T01:51:04Z")
((Well, it’s nice that they showed non-standard frigate architecture, with retrofits for pleasure lounges or slave storage or smuggler hidey-holes and such)) ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/195 "2017-09-07T10:20:09Z")
am i the only one who actually wants this situation to change? how mentally screwed must one be, to want to keep this nonsense up perpetually? ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/196 "2017-09-07T10:29:51Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > how mentally screwed must one be, to want to keep this nonsense up perpetually? _looks at Diana Kim_ ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/197 "2017-09-07T18:54:07Z")
Ha. Um. Maybe, but, she doesn’t want this to go on forever either, I don’t think. Just, she wants it to end by going hot. She’s in the “let’s stop messing around and have a proper war” camp. ---
**Author:** ![kul\_Shaishi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kul_shaishi/32/245841_2.png) [@kul\_Shaishi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/kul_Shaishi)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/198 "2017-09-07T19:19:26Z")
Kim is a National populist. Of course she would want that because she’s absolutely crazy ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/199 "2017-09-07T20:44:39Z")
> [@kul\_Shaishi](#): > > Kim is a National populist. Of course she would want that because she’s absolutely crazy I would really appreciate if our usual suspects and “shiptoasters” will stop trying to discuss what I want and dump their delusions about who I am (especially fuelled by groundless allegations and straightforward insults like this particular one), and instead at least will TRY to discuss the problems we have. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/200 "2017-09-07T20:46:49Z")
Excepting we wholeheartedly disagree as to what the problems are. How does one rationally discuss your calls for total war? Here, I’ll try: “Total war against the Gallente is both unwarranted and would fatally weaken the State, causing a collapse of the delicate balance of power.” ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/201 "2017-09-07T20:52:47Z")
> [@Makoto\_Priano](#): > > Excepting we wholeheartedly disagree as to what the problems are. > > How does one rationally discuss your calls for total war? > > Here, I’ll try: > > “Total war against the Gallente is both unwarranted and would fatally weaken the State, causing a collapse of the delicate balance of power.” I have already addressed it in the initial post, dishonorable liar Priano. We already have the war, and it does weaken the State: but the longer we fight, the more it weakens us. If we go for fast and decisive all-out war, yes, casualties will be greater. But it will stop faster, and way less people will die in the end. Besides, it has a goal of collapsing balance of power by removing power completely from agressors - Gallente Federation, to prevent them waging war against us again. While we “balance” back and forth, people will keep dying. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/202 "2017-09-07T21:10:36Z")
Don’t you think all or nothing thinking would be the wrong way to think about it? Haste makes waste as they say. You could rush it, and if I’m not mistaken take on a foe with much more ships than you and end yourselves along with the war or you could vie for the war of attrition route as has been done. Are you sure its a fight you can win in a hurry, unsupported by allies more than likely? Victory is the intended outcome, sometimes the direct path is the one with the most turns. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/203 "2017-09-07T21:25:26Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Besides, it has a goal of collapsing balance of power At which point, with the Gallente fleets destroyed (assuming you win), and the Caldari fleet battered and decimated from the warfare, the Amarr move in to Reclaim and enslave you both. BRILLIANT! ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2017, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/204 "2017-09-08T08:40:18Z")
As a concerned Gallente tree hugger, I write this with the utmost love and respect Diana. The love of a parent for their wayward child. Your nation needs you. I agree, this war has gone on too long. Squids keep dying needlessly by the day. There’s no need for this ongoing humiliation of Squidnation. You can be the strong hero that the Caldari need. Be a strong, independent, white-flag bearer: ![caldari_surrender](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/5/95fecc38741c60e9971dd468204101c8eb8dd714.jpg) Animal cruelty is wrong and we Gallente are prepared to stop slaughtering squids as soon as you raise your white flag. This thread is a cry for help, but help starts with helping yourself. Take the step Diana. ---
**Author:** ![Viktor\_Revon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/viktor_revon/32/23106_2.png) [@Viktor\_Revon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Viktor_Revon)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/205 "2017-09-10T03:22:18Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > The rules of the civilized world fall by the wayside on the battlefield, just look at these infamous Gallente hidden prisons in Black rise, where they torture PoWs with inhuman methods, their death squads, that genocide colonists, and so on and so on. First time I have heard of these. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if it was real though. > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Our people only suffer, and only war profeteers and weapon manufacturers win in this situation. > > While we can stop the gallente invaders at our gates, we can’t stop them from attacking us, and while they do this, Caldari will suffer. While the war goes on, the lives are lost with each moment wasted. And if this war is pretty “young” compared to the First Caldari -Gallente war, that lasted for dozens of years, it is our duty to put a stop to this. Perhaps I misjudged you in the past to believe you are a poor example of the State. Though I still have trouble picturing you as a voice of reason and peace. > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > If we will glass Villore’s government districts, blow apart President’s station in Ladistier, annihilate FedNavy HQ in Algogille - billions will die. And this is terrible. But way more has died already because of Gallente agression, and significantly more will die, if we let this War to last as long as the First war. Aaaaaaand there is the Diana Kim we all know and loathe. > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Caldari! Fellow citizens! Brothers and sisters in arms! We are not Matars, and we will sacrifice a lot to prevent ourselves from being subjigated to others will. We have already lost our home, now twice. And yet we are still here, not enslaved, not subjugated, standing tall with weapons in hands against unending hordes of gallente bullies. While this is true, I do not understand the Matar comment. > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > the Federation must be destroyed! I hate the Federation as much as the next Caldari Loyalist, but I’d settle with peace and Caldari Prime back within the control of the State > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > They are large, but they are soft and weak. Our citizens are all trained soldiers, and their - they are just cattle. If we decapitate this snake, this behemoth, it will fall limp and shatter apart. Without its head they won’t train more of their cattle into brainwashed democracy fanatics and freedom zealots, whom they send to murder honest working people of the State. And how do you propose we do this? > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > FOR THE STATE! _For the State._ > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Your nation needs you. I agree, this war has gone on too long. Squids keep dying needlessly by the day. There’s no need for this ongoing humiliation of Squidnation. > > You can be the strong hero that the Caldari need. Be a strong, independent, white-flag bearer You know what? I’m starting to see why you have such an acute hatred for the frogs themselves now. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511.md?page=11)