# To end The War **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [September 2, 2017, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511 "2017-09-02T15:58:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Ibrahim\_Tash-Murkon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ibrahim_tash-murkon/32/474183_2.png) [@Ibrahim\_Tash-Murkon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ibrahim_Tash-Murkon)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/346 "2017-09-14T19:48:03Z")
I remarked yesterday that two persons, their identities to remain protected but both of whom have a reputation for very unimpressive rhetoric, got into a back and forth that, to me, resembled two primitive chatbots talking at (or past) each other. Setting Aria and Arrendis at each other is just the opposite. It’s more on the spectrum towards two general AIs sparring. I am, as the kids say, all hot and bothered, ladies. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/347 "2017-09-14T19:50:45Z")
> [@Ibrahim\_Tash-Murkon](#): > > I am, as the kids say, all hot and bothered, ladies. Well now I’m skeeved out. Thanks, Ibs. ---
**Author:** ![Ibrahim\_Tash-Murkon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ibrahim_tash-murkon/32/474183_2.png) [@Ibrahim\_Tash-Murkon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ibrahim_Tash-Murkon)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/348 "2017-09-14T20:29:10Z")
Maybe the next time CONCORD rolls out a new extermination patch to our clones I’ll also get a model more appealing to your sensibilities. Just think, our children would have your wits and my eye. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/349 "2017-09-14T20:31:19Z")
If they come out of the womb with a monocle implant already in them someone is getting reported. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/350 "2017-09-14T20:33:46Z")
I… no. just… I think I’m gonna be ill. ---
**Author:** ![Ibrahim\_Tash-Murkon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ibrahim_tash-murkon/32/474183_2.png) [@Ibrahim\_Tash-Murkon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ibrahim_Tash-Murkon)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/351 "2017-09-14T20:46:03Z")
Ouch. I guess I’ll play the long game and wait you out. I have literally all of eternity which, by an astounding coincidence, is also how long it will probably take. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/352 "2017-09-14T20:58:05Z")
Well, if it makes you feel better, Ibs, the concept of pushing a watermelon out through my crotch for _anyone_ has that effect. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/353 "2017-09-14T21:18:09Z")
Not very maternal, are you? ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/354 "2017-09-14T21:18:33Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Got an example of when we have? Was more of a general jab at that capsuleers in general are not famous for their trustworthiness, even for a paycheck. ---
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/355 "2017-09-14T21:31:23Z")
Hah, good luck trying to be useful to any side without any QE He-4 to run the Omega wetware. Or if the SCC freezes all freelancer accounts. Or building anything if the companies enforce copyright protections on their blueprints. Our autonomy is granted by CONCORD. The autonomy of CONCORD is granted by our economic activities while they control the SCC and the Commerce Directive. No one seems to have considered what might happen if CONCORD, with the pullout of its signatories, puts ISK bounties on former signatory assets. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/356 "2017-09-14T22:18:51Z")
> [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](#): > > No one seems to have considered what might happen if CONCORD, with the pullout of its signatories, puts ISK bounties on former signatory assets. You mean other than running out of operating capital and collapsing even faster? CONCORD is not self-sufficient. ---
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/357 "2017-09-14T22:39:01Z")
It is increasingly becoming so due to freelance capsuleers whose PLEX, purchase of sovereignty infrastructure, and taxes collected via SCC markets contribute to its capital. There exists an increasingly symbiotic relationship between freelancers and CONCORD in the event the DED might want to “enforce” a future peace. CONCORD has currency control, stockpiles of QE He-4, and armaments access to technologies furnished to it by all its signatories. The threat CONCORD can impose towards signatories it might deem to be bad actors is to pull out high security cynonets and gate access restrictions for capitals and incentivize freelance capsuleers to bring “peace” upon a belligerent. It’s not an unlikely scenario in which CONCORD in effect becomes a banker with a de facto mercenary force at its disposal to enforce its own mandates upon its signatories. I would argue that the only reason there is some semblance of peace right now is that even if CONCORD signatories want to fight they cannot dismiss either CONCORD or freelancers in the above scenario. The sides that shoot first won’t just have to fight the other sides, they’d have to fight the other side in addition to CONCORD and freelance capsuleers. So if no one yet wants to fire first, then no one yet gets hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/358 "2017-09-14T23:05:10Z")
Also consider how all freelance capsuleers were grounded when the Elder fleet destroyed CONCORD HQ and its enforcement network. ---
**Author:** ![Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veikitamo_gesakaarin/32/314638_2.png) [@Veikitamo\_Gesakaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veikitamo_Gesakaarin)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/359 "2017-09-14T23:21:31Z")
It is perhaps an irony, that while we as freelancers contribute to a war economy that costs a great loss of life, it is our existence and relationship to CONCORD that prevents a greater loss of life in total war between the Big Four. ---
**Author:** ![Viktor\_Revon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/viktor_revon/32/23106_2.png) [@Viktor\_Revon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Viktor_Revon)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2017, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/360 "2017-09-14T23:27:37Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Then you said that you hate the Federation, but just a bit earlier you openly stated that “there is the Diana Kim we all know and loathe.” You - who? Gallente? Other enemies of the State? Because that’s what neither my friend, nor any citizen of the State would say. But almost any citizen of the Federation will eagerly put a sign under that. Oh how humour is lost upon you. > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Next, you make an outlandish and ridiculous by its absurdity claim that “Diana hates most people”. Who could say that sort of nonsence? Either a clown or a troll. You have made a claim that you are not a “zealot of irrationality”, but after such claim maybe you actually are. Again, humour is lost upon you. Though, this bit was quite obviously humour and how you managed to take it completely serious would be beyond my comprehension should you not be your usual, humourless self. Perhaps I set my expectations too high for your social competency? > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > I am definitely not a “baka”, and unlike your claims, mine are based on observations, publically available facts and rational logic, and by these I will doubt your words, I will doubt that you are “friend”, I will doubt that you are “not a zealot of irrationality”, and I will doubt your loyalty to the State. Your observations have been flawed thus far. They appear not to have realized that these jokes weren’t something serious. You may be right upon one thing though, as friend may have been too strong of a word. Allies, definitely, though I imagine that is where it shall stay. You insult my loyalty to the State? Perhaps my aid to the Caldari forces in the battle for Caldari Prime in the last few years makes me suspect? > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > There was an old movie, and the main villain there was a gallente spy, his behavior was quite similar to what you’ve just displayed. Saying on one hand “oh, you are my friends! How could I do something bad to you!” - and on the other, doing exactly opposite. Now you use a movie to accuse me of what exactly? Being a Gallente spy? Being an Enemy of the State? > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > You definitely don’t sound as one, fighting for the same side in this war. And I don’t think doubt that our ships are heading in the same directions. As I have shown with words and actions, my ships is sailing together with the State, while the direction of your ship for me is unknown, and I won’t make decision about that based on your words only, as your behavior is neither friendly, nor consistent. My loyalty to the State does not make me blind to humanity, nor does it make me a resentful bastard. This does not mean I hold no loyalty to the State. ---
**Author:** ![Saille\_Horo\_Sha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saille_horo_sha/32/24620_2.png) [@Saille\_Horo\_Sha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saille_Horo_Sha)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/361 "2017-09-15T14:56:19Z")
Man, and you people say that us NullSeccers are psychopaths… I mean, you’re absolutely correct, but still. I left the State’s borders specifically to get away from this level of civilian genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2017, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/362 "2017-09-16T04:59:15Z")
> [@Saille\_Horo\_Sha](#): > > Man, and you people say that us NullSeccers are psychopaths… > > I mean, you’re absolutely correct, but still. > > I left the State’s borders specifically to get away from this level of civilian genocide. Running away from the problem doesn’t solve it. The genocide remains while gallente have ability to hold weapons and have access to our civilian colonies. Want to stop that? Grab your weapon and kick gallente out. ---
**Author:** ![Casserina\_Leshrac](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/casserina_leshrac/32/310487_2.png) [@Casserina\_Leshrac](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Casserina_Leshrac)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/363 "2017-09-20T00:20:08Z")
I could show you how. But I think you wouldn’t appreciate the risk involved. ---
**Author:** ![Sinti\_Vailatti](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sinti_vailatti/32/11624_2.png) [@Sinti\_Vailatti](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sinti_Vailatti)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2017, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/364 "2017-09-21T01:31:01Z")
Yeesh, long thread. Did we cover the part where we can end the war by making it not be an ISK generator any more? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/365 "2017-09-21T01:39:43Z")
> [@Sinti\_Vailatti](#): > > Did we cover the part where we can end the war by making it not be an ISK generator any more? And the part where the empires don’t want to end it, because it’s making them a profit, too. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511.md?page=19)