# To end The War **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [September 2, 2017, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511 "2017-09-02T15:58:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/61 "2017-09-03T04:38:11Z")
I have to give this one to Diana. The Caldari are more… oligarchic. There’s no singular leader ruling with unfettered executive power to be fascists. That ended with Heth. _Then_, there was a case to be made for fascism, but now? Nah. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/62 "2017-09-03T05:47:21Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > The only fascism known to the cluster came from Gallente in the form of Duvalier regime, and it’s modern version - Blaque’s Black Eagles. But blaming Caldari in being fascist? And that coming from Gallente?.. > > Go buy yourself a history textbook and read it before making yourself into laughing stock again. The Caldari are the quintessential fascists. Look at this nonsense such as suborning oneself to this thing called the State as if it exists independently of the individuals that comprise it. That is nothing short of rank reification. The State is nothing more than those who control it and grind down individuals into nothing more than mindless automatons. ---
**Author:** ![Ria\_Nieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ria_nieyli/32/447728_2.png) [@Ria\_Nieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ria_Nieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/63 "2017-09-03T07:26:05Z")
Close to home, but the truth is a bit darker. Think of spiders, webs and the likes. ---
**Author:** ![Vincent\_Pryce](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vincent_pryce/32/15584_2.png) [@Vincent\_Pryce](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vincent_Pryce)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/64 "2017-09-03T10:57:44Z")
WInning at all costs, huh? I guess even a pyrrhic victory is still a victory 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/65 "2017-09-03T15:15:28Z")
It is. As long as the Federation will be destroyed in the result. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/504852_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/66 "2017-09-03T16:37:51Z")
That’s cute. So it’s cool to destroy yourself in the process just as long as you take out the Gallente. Exquisitely brilliant reasoning there Kimmy. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/67 "2017-09-03T16:53:27Z")
Oh, it’s definitely an _authoritarian_ oligarchy, but then, most oligarchies are. While Fascism is also authoritarianism, authoritarianism isn’t necessarily fascism. It’s important to be accurate when lobbing these sorts of incendiary labels around. If you’re wrong, it’s a lot easier to ignore you. ---
**Author:** ![Ria\_Nieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ria_nieyli/32/447728_2.png) [@Ria\_Nieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ria_Nieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/68 "2017-09-03T16:59:19Z")
I was talking about the person, not the government structure. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/69 "2017-09-03T18:25:17Z")
> [@Anabella\_Rella](#): > > That’s cute. So it’s cool to destroy yourself in the process just as long as you take out the Gallente. Exquisitely brilliant reasoning there Kimmy. Yes, I will give my life to destroy the Federation. You, pathetic Minmatars, who preferred to live in slavery, will never understand it. ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/70 "2017-09-03T18:44:05Z")
@Davlos you hear that? Chaining me to the bed is now socially acceptable cause I apparently want to be enslaved 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Anataine\_Deva](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anataine_deva/32/373865_2.png) [@Anataine\_Deva](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anataine_Deva)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/71 "2017-09-03T18:49:58Z")
Ugh politics again… > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > For nine years already the State protects the Black Rise from continuous Gallente invasion and occupation attempts… The State doesn’t seem to be very effective in that. > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > …But every day our citizens still suffer from gallentes. Maybe stop fighting and enjoy peace with the Federation? > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Our citizens are all trained soldiers, and their - they are just cattle. So the State is losing continuously against cows? Anyway, I go to bed now and please, do not shoot so loud at my ship! 🐈 ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/72 "2017-09-03T20:43:21Z")
> [@Anataine\_Deva](#): > > Ugh politics again… It’s not as politics, as it is a struggle for survival in harsh environment. And the harshness and threat of this environment is represented by gallenteans, who are attacking us. > [@](#): > > The State doesn’t seem to be very effective in that. We still hold Black Rise, as for the State isn’t effective, it’s because it’s mostly eggers now, who are doing the job. Unfortunately, too many eggers got brainwashed by gallente propaganda and run away from their duty. Most shameful display. Shame to all the pilots, who don’t help to defend Caldari space from the occupants! Shame! > [@Anataine\_Deva](#): > > Maybe stop fighting and enjoy peace with the Federation? We are not Minmatars to surrender to oppressors and invaders. If some bandits would rush into your house, will kill some of your family on your own eyes, then steal some of your valuables, and then demand you to stop fighting, would you? Then why the heck do you ask us to do the same?! We won’t stop fighting, until we secure our Home from the invaders. And after that, we won’t stop fighting, until we make these bandits to pay for their crimes. > [@Anataine\_Deva](#): > > So the State is losing continuously against cows? We aren’t losing. We are holding. And I call for people to start advancing to push gallente oppressors all the way back into their hiding holes in Villore. Smash them so hard, so they will never want to invade neighbors again. Keep smashing gallente, until they learn to live in peace with neighbors… or will cease to exist. Luminaire was a system where both our races originated. Gallenteans already shown that they aren’t going to live with us in peace, they wanted either us subjugated under their boots, or kicked out. We said no. And we will say no again. Luminaire is NOT Gallente system. It is Caldari system in the same degree as it is Gallente system. And if Gallente will fail to comprehend this, maybe this time it’s us who will have to push them away. Because we don’t need such sort of neighbors. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/73 "2017-09-03T20:46:37Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Keep smashing gallente I do my best, I really do. ---
**Author:** ![Davlos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/davlos/32/175547_2.png) [@Davlos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Davlos)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/74 "2017-09-03T20:46:52Z")
It has _always_ been socially acceptable, Angel. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/75 "2017-09-03T20:51:15Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > We still hold Black Rise, as for the State isn’t effective, it’s because it’s mostly eggers now, who are doing the job. Unfortunately, too many eggers got brainwashed by gallente propaganda and run away from their duty. Most shameful display. > > Shame to all the pilots, who don’t help to defend Caldari space from the occupants! > > Shame! If you _hold_ Black Rise, that makes _you_ the ‘occupants’ (‘the occupants’, in case you’re going to claim some ridiculous translation error _again_, meaning ‘the people who currently exist in that space and/or reside there’). So you’re calling on all capsuleers to ‘help defend Caldari space from’… you. You really are an idiot sometimes, you know that, merc? ---
**Author:** ![Slayer\_Liberator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/slayer_liberator/32/398086_2.png) [@Slayer\_Liberator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Slayer_Liberator)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/76 "2017-09-03T20:53:25Z")
I have learned that logic is not very effective on her. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/77 "2017-09-03T21:19:29Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You really are an idiot sometimes, you know that, merc? Don’t put your qualities on others. Now, begone, fool. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/78 "2017-09-03T22:06:12Z")
Pointed out another bit the poor little mercenary who wishes she were a _real_ officer can’t refute, did I? Poor little merc. The State will never care, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Anataine\_Deva](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anataine_deva/32/373865_2.png) [@Anataine\_Deva](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anataine_Deva)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/79 "2017-09-03T22:07:42Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > It’s not as politics, as it is a struggle for survival in harsh environment. And the harshness and threat of this environment is represented by gallenteans, who are attacking us. It wouldn’t be a struggle for survival, if the State would give up its resistance. > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > We still hold Black Rise, as for the State isn’t effective, it’s because it’s mostly eggers now, who are doing the job. Unfortunately, too many eggers got brainwashed by gallente propaganda and run away from their duty. Most shameful display. > Shame to all the pilots, who don’t help to defend Caldari space from the occupants! > Shame! They aren’t brainwashed, they just realized that they can live peacefully together with their families within the Federation, who welcomes every citizen of New Eden with open arms. It’s within the Federation, where they can thrive without the fear of being forced for military duty. To die for someone else’s wrong ideology. > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > We are not Minmatars to surrender to oppressors and invaders. > If some bandits would rush into your house, will kill some of your family on your own eyes, then steal some of your valuables, and then demand you to stop fighting, would you? > Then why the heck do you ask us to do the same?! > > We won’t stop fighting, until we secure our Home from the invaders. > And after that, we won’t stop fighting, until we make these bandits to pay for their crimes. I actually know some brave Minmatar, those are great people! Well, that’s how I lost my family and yes I was angry and still are. But I don’t condemn a whole nation on the possible crimes of some individuals. Who are your bandits? Maybe the Federation can help you to catch them? Make peace and the Federation will surely help to bring justice to your nation. > [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > We aren’t losing. We are holding. And I call for people to start advancing to push gallente oppressors all the way back into their hiding holes in Villore. Smash them so hard, so they will never want to invade neighbors again. > > Keep smashing gallente, until they learn to live in peace with neighbors… or will cease to exist. > > Luminaire was a system where both our races originated. Gallenteans already shown that they aren’t going to live with us in peace, they wanted either us subjugated under their boots, or kicked out. > > We said no. > > And we will say no again. > > Luminaire is NOT Gallente system. It is Caldari system in the same degree as it is Gallente system. And if Gallente will fail to comprehend this, maybe this time it’s us who will have to push them away. Because we don’t need such sort of neighbors. As for myself, I live already in peace with my Caldari neighbours, and if they are worthy, I maybe let them invade me hehe But at the moment, you are the one who calls for a genocide. No wonder why the Federation Navy is out there, protecting peaceful citizens against warmongers. 🐈 ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 11:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511/80 "2017-09-03T23:54:59Z")
If black rise is held soo well, what does it seem like if i _wanted_ to put a citadel up as an enemy to the state, it would be childs play? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-end-the-war/21511.md?page=5)