# To the brave defenders of the tribes and sacred champions of the Empire **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542 "2018-09-04T15:44:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/21 "2018-09-04T18:54:39Z")
Did I say you were wrong? I said it’s wasting your time to argue with someone over actions they have no control over what so ever. Pick your battles and please do keep it up, it is actually truely vital. We all should be more vocal. ---
**Author:** ![Renelle\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renelle_ronuken/32/165790_2.png) [@Renelle\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renelle_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/22 "2018-09-04T19:42:51Z")
That’s exactly the problem: I don’t view this as a waste of my time. You might, and you’re welcome to your opinion, but I’m not going to stop even if these arguments are “tired,” so if it bothers you, you should step out. At the moment, the only thing I can do to help is pick fights with boneheaded Amarrians. It costs you nothing to let me have that. Besides, if Vaari is all that he claims to be\*, with his titles and his battle skiffs, then perhaps by standing down he could begin a trend that could benefit our cause greatly. \*I’m fully aware that he’s probably not what he claims to be. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/23 "2018-09-04T19:59:15Z")
Seeing as he was on that path (actively working with a Matari aligned alliance) prior to going to defend his home system, your kinda shooting your own argument in the foot. Talking him out of active hostility doesn’t nor should it involve cliched accusations. Again, I agree with your sentiment, but not your target calling in this situation. More often it is appropriate than not. As far as stepping out is concerned. Ya I certainly could. However if that was the case and someone didn’t comment when such events arised they would only have more ammunition to tar our people with one brush. If we simply resort to these same arguments the only thing we will have in the end is the stereotype of being mindless savages who can’t be reasoned with. One stereotype I’m sure neither of us agree with. So feel free to blindly attack, surgical strikes get more bang for your isk, paint a picture of willingness to cooperate and most of all give third parties more reason to favor us rather than who we lash out at. You’ll have plenty of chances to go full bore with an alpha strike and hit. However wait to be in range before you fire. ---
**Author:** ![Renelle\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renelle_ronuken/32/165790_2.png) [@Renelle\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renelle_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/24 "2018-09-04T20:40:45Z")
Thanks for your permission. Now, if you’re going to stay, can we get back on the track of arguing with Vaari, rather than arguing with each other? ---
**Author:** ![Vaari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaari/32/373419_2.png) [@Vaari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaari)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/25 "2018-09-04T20:47:32Z")
You have nothing to argue with me. I do what God Omnipotent commands! It seems to be against minmatar loyalist and amarrian loyalists too, but it is still what i must do. Right now I must defend the original borders of Her Imperial Majestys, beloved by all borders and my fiefdom. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/26 "2018-09-04T20:51:55Z")
You need no permission. You follow your own path, just don’t take honest advice as an insult from kin who have already tread the path you walk. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/27 "2018-09-04T20:53:42Z")
Just because we don’t all constantly agree lock step doesn’t mean we argue. We don’t need a light to follow, we have our own paths we carve. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/28 "2018-09-04T21:04:53Z")
I would have thought that only the Theology Council would have the authority to declare someone a “Living Saint”. ---
**Author:** ![Vaari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaari/32/373419_2.png) [@Vaari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaari)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/29 "2018-09-04T21:07:59Z")
Some very narrow minded might indeed think like that. However I have grown even beyond Theology Council. I am the conduit between mortal world and the Kingdom of Heaven. I see and hear thing all others dont and I have liven a life multiple time of normal life span. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/30 "2018-09-04T21:08:49Z")
I See. ---
**Author:** ![Arnulf\_Ogunkoya](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arnulf_ogunkoya/32/380841_2.png) [@Arnulf\_Ogunkoya](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arnulf_Ogunkoya)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/31 "2018-09-04T21:33:47Z")
> [@Deitra\_Vess](#): > > Seeing as he was on that path (actively working with a Matari aligned alliance) … Errr, no. It is not my understanding that any active collaboration was entered into between Vaari’s group and Electus Matari. We just decided not to kill him. This was mostly at the request of others who we do actually care about. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/32 "2018-09-04T22:47:34Z")
Wait, really? Welp… My bad on that. Sorry, I was mistaken… ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/33 "2018-09-04T23:55:06Z")
> [@Vaari](#): > > Imperial borders are breached and this will not do. No Imperial borders are breached. The Empire has designated those systems part of the CONCORD Bloodsport arena. The season is underway, and the game is being played. This means those systems are engaging in _precisely_ the activity the Empire has decreed they should be used for. If you have an issue with your home being one of the systems the Empire _chose_ to designate for that purpose, maybe you should take that up with your Empress. Otherwise… relax. Your borders are secure. It’s just your _team_ that isn’t doing so hot this season. ---
**Author:** ![Vaari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaari/32/373419_2.png) [@Vaari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaari)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/34 "2018-09-06T08:15:11Z")
Wench ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/35 "2018-09-06T14:41:10Z")
Lessee… > [@](#): > > 1a: A young woman. Not that young, but thanks! > [@](#): > > 1b: A female servant. Well, I do serve the needs of my organization. > [@](#): > > 2: A lewd woman Sure, ok. Soooo… I suppose ‘yeah, and?’ comes to mind. The label doesn’t exactly _refute_ the point that the borders are secure and _your Empire wants it that way_ is the only reason your home system is part of the bloodsport. ---
**Author:** ![Renelle\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renelle_ronuken/32/165790_2.png) [@Renelle\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renelle_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/36 "2018-09-06T16:53:58Z")
> [@Vaari](#): > > Wench Typical response from a man who has been outreasoned by a woman. ---
**Author:** ![Isha\_Vuld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isha_vuld/32/470113_2.png) [@Isha\_Vuld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Isha_Vuld)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/37 "2018-09-06T17:42:34Z")
I almost gained a hint of respect for a Lord but thankfully all is once again right in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Vaari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaari/32/373419_2.png) [@Vaari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaari)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/38 "2018-09-07T13:05:32Z")
I have shown ample of respect. When Her Imperial Majesty, beloved by all is under accusation, my respect ends. ---
**Author:** ![Renelle\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renelle_ronuken/32/165790_2.png) [@Renelle\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renelle_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/42 "2018-09-08T18:35:05Z")
So this is what salty lord tears taste like. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2018, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542/43 "2018-09-08T19:17:47Z")
Accusation of what, though? Being in charge? An ‘accusation’ would mean there’s some horrible deed she’s done, some crime she’s committed. She’s the Empress. If she says your world is to be part of the bloodsport, that’s all perfectly legal and proper for her to do, isn’t it? Not that I’ve even said _she_ did it. Clearly, she didn’t. It was done during the reign of her predecessor, when the ‘warzones’ were set up. So exactly what’s the ‘accusation’ you’re objecting to? If I’m wrong, then how am I wrong? If I’m _not_ wrong… then are you saying that your respect ends when someone speaks the truth, if you just happen to not like that truth? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-the-brave-defenders-of-the-tribes-and-sacred-champions-of-the-empire/103542.md?page=3)