# Top reasons why a new player should consider not playing EVE Online **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 17, 2017, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881 "2017-12-17T11:53:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/61 "2017-12-19T20:59:52Z")
ill just leave [this](https://zkillboard.com/kill/66717103/) here ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/62 "2017-12-19T21:33:30Z")
OMG really !? ---
**Author:** ![Tiddle\_Jr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiddle_jr/32/469145_2.png) [@Tiddle\_Jr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiddle_Jr)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/63 "2017-12-19T21:33:59Z")
Experimental fit, to harras nul sec warlords and elite pvp’rs. I support it. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/64 "2017-12-19T21:45:18Z")
😮 🤨 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralph_king-griffin/32/252855_2.png) [@Ralph\_King-Griffin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralph_King-Griffin)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/65 "2017-12-19T23:48:19Z")
to be clear, Aunt Tom isnt mine, muggins here just made me aware of it while mouthing off in ncq&a, where normally id chalk it up to derpy newbro and leave him be _but_ he dosent seem to want to hear what anyone had to say so have at him for all i care. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/66 "2017-12-19T23:49:57Z")
If he undocked in that, Im suprised he lasted the day or whatever between posts to change his mind. ---
**Author:** ![Lulu\_Lunette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lulu_lunette/32/133822_2.png) [@Lulu\_Lunette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lulu_Lunette)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/67 "2017-12-19T23:52:13Z")
I think for me to keep playing Eve Online, the regular pattern of realizing I need to quit reading r/Eve, these forums and log out of my Twitter become more apparent. Constant terminal cancer. BUT I digress. New players should consider Eve Online. Despite it’s flaws there’s still nothing else really like it. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/68 "2017-12-19T23:53:31Z")
TL:DR You either enjoy the game as it isor you don’t, then decide whether to play on that basis. Note that this applies to all games, not just EvE ---
**Author:** ![Tatius\_Jorgstern](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tatius_jorgstern/32/291677_2.png) [@Tatius\_Jorgstern](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tatius_Jorgstern)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/69 "2017-12-20T02:24:47Z")
Sandbox… EVE Online is a sandbox MMO. This game is what you make it. You get to go out and learn and entertain yourself as opposed to waiting for the game to entertain you. You either make content or be content. I get it, it’s not for everyone. But the only way to find out is to try for yourself 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 4:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/70 "2017-12-20T04:37:06Z")
I was flying _worse_ fits when i was newbee. However i knew that it’s _me_ having no ideas how to fit the ship. Never blamed the game for such fits performance. ---
**Author:** ![Tamazaki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tamazaki/32/37007_2.png) [@Tamazaki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tamazaki)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/71 "2017-12-20T09:40:40Z")
#9. CCP thinks threads like these are ok: [I hire ALL Mercenary solo and corp ones NOW! NOW! NOW! before i die from cancer](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/i-hire-all-mercenary-solo-and-corp-ones-now-now-now-before-i-die-from-cancer/45450/21) ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/72 "2017-12-20T13:13:45Z")
> [@Agent\_K\_Portophia](#): > > Just got bullied in High Sec where I discovered Weapons do not rank by Sec. Meaning your null Sec nukes and my Auto Cannon should be similar damage when in my High -sec area. Turns out, they don’t. That’s literally pathetic dude. Why would that be a thing anywhere? Harden up. ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/73 "2017-12-20T15:30:59Z")
> [@Agent\_K\_Portophia](#): > > Just got bullied in High Sec where I discovered Weapons do not rank by Sec. Meaning your null Sec nukes and my Auto Cannon should be similar damage when in my High -sec area. Turns out, they don’t. I’m amazed that you are the one saying this now, and that you posted a thread of your own complaining about the loss of your Frigate fit Battleship after you attacked a veteran player expecting to win because your ship was bigger: > [@Make sense of this Battle for me](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-sense-of-this-battle-for-me/46375): > > I am completing the Rogue Swarm Holiday fest… I see another pilot doing the same. Fun times. Then this 3rd Pilot, “Aunt Tom” comes in and is firing at the other pilot. Haste move, and I’m sitting in my BATTLESHIP Fully armed with 6 -200mm AutoCannons and 1 dual Anode Particle Stream. Fusion ammo. Again, my Apocalypse BATTLESHIP, I scan the Pilot and see a Vexor who is half damaged, So I lock on. Trying to stop the “picking on noobs so that New Eden can make it past 2019”… This is 7K HP vs 1… When at the start of this very thread you said: > [@Agent\_K\_Portophia](#): > > I’m very busy writing Nintendo telling them everything I dislike about the NES game Super Mario Bros. Oh wait, I’m a gamer… Meaning I play games and I have zero input in the creation, updating or flow. I’m here to play the Game and you also said: > [@Agent\_K\_Portophia](#): > > I’m SO sick of gamers thinking they know what is best or complaining about a loot box or a map, or content. Play the game, that’s it. You are the same person who in the above link asks for the game to change so that he can win as a noob against people with better skills and better fits? Someone who is now refusing to accept the game the way it is? All it took was a Battleship loss and you abandoned your prinicipals and completely reversed your stand on gamers and gaming? wow 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/74 "2017-12-20T15:52:58Z")
And given his interest in Event content, probably a Agency reward BS, which was remarkably easy to get. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Dieu-le-veut](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anne_dieu-le-veut/32/148292_2.png) [@Anne\_Dieu-le-veut](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anne_Dieu-le-veut)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/75 "2017-12-20T15:58:51Z")
Also, he lost a fight he started, and calls it bullying. ROFL ---
**Author:** ![Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sindara_t_soni/32/242945_2.png) [@Sindara\_T\_Soni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sindara_T_Soni)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/76 "2017-12-20T16:01:10Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > And given his interest in Event content, probably a Agency reward BS, which was remarkably easy to get. Apoc. Free ship confirmed. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/77 "2017-12-20T16:52:01Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > New and prospect players should consider not playing because: > > 1. Old content is old and development of it is random and/or harmful > 2. Meeting the right people is difficult and chances are low, but the game requires meeting the right people > 3. Playing solo sucks unless the player is lucky and finds a niche > 4. Inflation has made inviable for new players to develop and compete without a paid subscription > 5. Paying is required but doesn’t grants victory, unlike many other games > 6. Veteran players rule the game and new players may suffer from it > 7. EVE is very complex and undocumented, learning is difficult and often comes from costly mistakes > 8. EVE is not everybody’s cup of tea. Should be the last choice for players just looking for a new MMO OP, I think you are undeniably right and sharp in your assessment, but I’m not sure any of those alone, is a good reason, a new player shouldn’t be playing. The combination of them is the real issue. You’ve touched it in 6., but I would like to add that apart from Uberplayers, you also have the much more common Creepplayer. His typical attributes are outspoken denial of the above mentioned problems, because he is laying like an old lazy animal in his unwashed den, while usually being a pawn himself, he is hoping to convince new players to play the game in hopes for not being the lowest part of the foodchain himself. This type of players needs uninformed, motivated fresh blood, because new and newer players are the only ones who can fall for their age-old traps and tricks, feed their killboards and fall into their provocation schemes. If not that, the Creepplayer is looking for someone seemingly lower to prove their own self-worth by pretending they have anything worth to teach. Then there are Bittervets, most of which are pretty great for a new player to meet, because they actually have something to teach and actually care about the game as a whole, because they understand more than any Creep that this is a game and that a game should be fun in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Dieu-le-veut](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anne_dieu-le-veut/32/148292_2.png) [@Anne\_Dieu-le-veut](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anne_Dieu-le-veut)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/78 "2017-12-20T16:53:21Z")
You should really learn game mechanics before spouting off. Your auto cannons do the same damage in null as they do in high. This game has been around since 2003. Some noob that doesn’t know what he’s doing crying about a loss that was 100% his fault doesn’t mean the game is doomed. ---
**Author:** ![Quelza](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quelza/32/36089_2.png) [@Quelza](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quelza)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/79 "2017-12-20T17:02:56Z")
It is a fact that we are slowly hemorrhaging players despite the introduction of F2P elements. I don’t think Agent’s claim is that EVE was a failure from the concept stage, but rather that it cannot compete in the modern MMO market because its mechanics do not appeal to today’s gamers. I can’t say that his assessment seems entirely wrong, however ridiculous his suggested “solution” might be. I should clarify that I’m perfectly satisfied with EVE the way it currently is, before I sound too much like I agree with him. EVE is in a weird place right now where the most obvious methods to revive it are, to varying degrees, antithetical to the game’s original concept and vision. CCP has the unenviable task of trying to increase the amount of new blood coming into (and staying in) the game while trying to avoid pissing off the long-timers who help to generate a lot of the content that puts EVE occasionally in the news (read: the stuff that ends up attracting said aforementioned new blood, since CCP seemingly does \*\*\*\*-all for marketing their flagship product). Hopefully we can get through this Citadel slog and get some more exciting things on the roadmap, because I can’t disagree with OP when they say it feels like EVE has stalled. ---
**Author:** ![Corsys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corsys/32/202424_2.png) [@Corsys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corsys)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881/80 "2017-12-20T17:12:26Z")
I love the people who have 10 alts and put 9 of them AFK in random enemy systems, for months or years at a time, just to annoy people… Because pay to win = Eve online. ■■■■ mechanics… And CCP has no intentions of fixing them… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/top-reasons-why-a-new-player-should-consider-not-playing-eve-online/45881.md?page=5)