# TOTALITY REALIZED :: Triglavian Invasion Goal Attained with 27 Final Liminalities **URL:** \ **Category:** EVE Lore Discussion\ **Created:** [September 28, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254 "2020-09-28T19:31:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Mealea\_Ying](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mealea_ying/32/496362_2.png) [@Mealea\_Ying](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mealea_Ying)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/66 "2020-09-28T23:55:48Z")
We already know what it means, the Drifters are coming and we have passed the test the Triglavians have set out for us. They wanted to be sure we are up to the fight ahead and have been preparing for it, while making sure we are capable of being something other than simply in the way. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/67 "2020-09-28T23:56:51Z")
So how do I fight for the drifters? When Triglavians are involved, the wars should have three sides. ---
**Author:** ![Mealea\_Ying](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mealea_ying/32/496362_2.png) [@Mealea\_Ying](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mealea_Ying)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/68 "2020-09-28T23:57:21Z")
Perhaps they haven’t fallen at all ---
**Author:** ![Mealea\_Ying](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mealea_ying/32/496362_2.png) [@Mealea\_Ying](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mealea_Ying)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/69 "2020-09-28T23:58:39Z")
You fight for the Drifters by letting them pod you, abscond your corpse and thus multiply. But dont, they kind of suck ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/70 "2020-09-29T00:06:15Z")
Good thing there’s no Drifter standings. I would not want them to remember the hundreds of them I have slain. ---
**Author:** ![Wanda\_Fayne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wanda_fayne/32/377654_2.png) [@Wanda\_Fayne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wanda_Fayne)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/71 "2020-09-29T00:27:12Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/9/3937c1fdc06015bdefa2d283a81acb42c44039aa.png) ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_paradisi_anteovnuecci/32/388691_2.png) [@Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_Paradisi_Anteovnuecci)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/72 "2020-09-29T02:04:05Z")
@AOSA there’s good reason to think that this is the end of this specific campaign - the trigs are aiming to establish their foothold in the Ancient Domains and reemerge in preparation for difficulties to come. I could see invasion mechanics being used again elsewhere, maybe having the systems of the abandoned Jove regions be fought over between the Trigs and Drifters? ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/73 "2020-09-29T02:44:03Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/74 "2020-09-29T02:44:15Z")
Swept the dirt off the patio. Reopen. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/75 "2020-09-29T02:51:02Z")
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**Author:** ![Arkous\_Sentari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arkous_sentari/32/211679_2.png) [@Arkous\_Sentari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arkous_Sentari)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/76 "2020-09-29T04:27:48Z")
lol, i guess CCP finally let the event run long enough for them to finally get some systems. Nothing about this was player chosen, the trigs were always going to win 27 system, they just let the event run until they got it. What a hugely disappointing set of 3 quadrants this has been. The trig stuff ended up being a waste of time for the players who participated in it. ---
**Author:** ![Elein\_Caldriea](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elein_caldriea/32/221237_2.png) [@Elein\_Caldriea](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elein_Caldriea)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/77 "2020-09-29T05:23:21Z")
The event was going to end at 10/6/20, so no the trigs actually were on a timer. ---
**Author:** ![Carrus\_Thrace](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/carrus_thrace/32/421054_2.png) [@Carrus\_Thrace](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Carrus_Thrace)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/78 "2020-09-29T05:27:36Z")
Waste of time? I doubt that’s how either the Kybernauts or EDI see things. As someone who has been FCing and participating in this invasion for the past 5 months it has been a blast! By far the most impactful and memorable experience that I’ve had in EVE. I made a lot of new friends (and enemies), I got to experience content, fittings, and play styles I wouldn’t have touched before, and joined with a great community of players. Sure the event was grindy, long, and didn’t pay well but that’s not the point. We literally pulled 27 systems out of Empire space, how amazing is that?! In what other game can a small group of players make that substantial of an impact to their environment? Player choice and our willingness to fight for a cause made this event awesome for me and many of my fellow Kybernauts. Now that the Invasion is winding down I’m not relieved, I’m ecstatic! The future is exciting and mutable, and I can’t wait to see what happens next. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/79 "2020-09-29T06:16:04Z")
> [@Erwin\_Kroner](#): > > I feel this event was only ever going to go this way, one way or another. Well, realistically, it’s not like CCP would have left their next stage content undone if Edencom had won. That’s just not how game development works. You don’t make a massive development effort for trigspace and then throw it away because players did not achieve an arbitrary goal. Players could affect _where exactly_ it happens inside a limited set of systems, but not _if_ it happens. My guess is the “27 lims” was not an _initial_ win condition; it was something put in last week because players theorized about it and it was close enough when they wanted the story to end. If there’d have been 8 by that time, it would have been 9. Or it could have been “three of each type” if that was close, or whatever works for the story at that point. In events of this size, we are here for the ride; we are not at the steering wheel. And you know what? That’s _fine_. The content had its issues but this is not one of them. It’s how games like this work. If you want a game without a story and an always even field and fixed win conditions and what not, go play soccer a something. ---
**Author:** ![Razor\_Laxton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/razor_laxton/32/245363_2.png) [@Razor\_Laxton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Razor_Laxton)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/80 "2020-09-29T07:10:23Z")
When they abandon this trig crud like the other mountain of “lore”…what then? ---
**Author:** ![Talas\_Dir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/talas_dir/32/255038_2.png) [@Talas\_Dir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Talas_Dir)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/81 "2020-09-29T07:51:22Z")
There’s no abandoning. You’re not getting Niarja back, or any of the other liminal systems. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/82 "2020-09-29T10:06:13Z")
> [@Carrus\_Thrace](#): > > Waste of time? I doubt that’s how either the Kybernauts or EDI see things. Speak for yourself. These invasions were the biggest waste of time one can possibly imagine. Not only where they annoying and overly frustrating, they also did not reward nearly enough for the endless hours of grinding. Worse still, they did not reward the most important and impactful activity to further progress in either direction at all, and the rewards for sites were so low that they barely covered the cost of ammo. I am still over 10B deep into loss for all the ships and material that I had to acquire for the invasions and that is not even talking about the time that I could have spent doing much more enjoyable things than grinding the ever same site hundreds of a hundred times and more per day. And don’t get me started on disenfranchising feeling that most Edencom people share about the invasions being skewed to the invaders without CCP ever showing any sign wanting to meaningfully fix the issues. Caldari are still a joke. Gunstars were not spawning outside Amarr space for 90% of the duration of C3. Amarr even got nerfed because they were “too strong” for Kybers to endure but Edencom never got the same kind of buff that would have helped even the field in Caldari space. Oh, and Edencom was never allowed to raise sec status of Fortressed low sec systems while Trigs were perfectly able to turn high sec into null sec. Another one of these instances of utter CCP feature planning incompetence. This invasion crap was garbage from the start till the end. And worse yet, it was garbage you had to participate in because else you would have to endure even more garbage as Niarja shows. The only saving grace: Edencom under Valkanir managed to turn one First Loon system back to Redoubt, which is something Trigs never managed to achieve in their direction. In the grand scheme of things it does not matter but it’s the only time I would say I enjoyed this mess thoroughly. ---
**Author:** ![Zdenek\_Fierlinger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zdenek_fierlinger/32/226678_2.png) [@Zdenek\_Fierlinger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zdenek_Fierlinger)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/83 "2020-09-29T10:48:38Z")
My triglavian is a little rusty, i usually only hear Die sc… before if find my self in my capsule but a few lines might be translated differently **GLORIFICATION PATTERN IN TOTALITY: REALIZED** **TRIGLAV EXALTED DAZH ELEMENTS: FINAL LIMINALITY** **LIMINAL PROVING: THRESHOLD ATTAINED** **ANCIENT DOMAINS STABILIZATION: WITH VILY CONSENT** **DOMAIN OF MITTANI CONDUIT WEAVING: GOLD CONSENT** **KRAI PERUN LIMINALITY: FIELDS PROCESSING** **KRAI SVAROG LIMINALITY: FIELDS PROCESSING** **KRAI VELES LIMINALITY: FIELDS PROCESSING** **CHISLOV ZVEMOKORG NOEMATA: CONSOLIDATION PHASE** **FLOW OF ISK DIRECTION: BUJAN TO LOW PROVEN** **FOREST OF MINER HUNTING: GOLD CONSENT** **COMMUNION WITH SOBORNOST KYBERNAUTS: GOLD CONSENT** ---
**Author:** ![Wormhole\_Girl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wormhole_girl/32/346390_2.png) [@Wormhole\_Girl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wormhole_Girl)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/84 "2020-09-29T11:15:43Z")
I didn’t grind at all and found the entire thing fascinating in the extreme. In fact its one of the few things that have gotten me to stick around in highsec for any length of time. ---
**Author:** ![Carrus\_Thrace](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/carrus_thrace/32/421054_2.png) [@Carrus\_Thrace](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Carrus_Thrace)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2020, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254/87 "2020-09-29T12:18:34Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Amarr even got nerfed because they were “too strong” for Kybers to endure but Edencom never got the same kind of buff that would have helped even the field in Caldari space. Not exactly sure where you get your information but the Caldari NPCs got a 40% EM resistance buff. As well, there was also a nerf to the overall speed of all the INVASION NPCs which means that the Caldari missiles applied better DPS. The Caldari e-war is still crap, so I’ll agree that aspect was unfavored but the Caldari held their ground better against the Trigs than the Trigs do against Amarr. Amarr make up 11/24 of the regions eligible for invasion. Post-nerf, they are still able to push 3% per hour with no player intervention and claim systems in 12-24 hours. When we fought in the lowsec Liminalities in Amarr space the roaming NPCs were managing to hold us on their own when we were clearing sites as quickly as they spawned. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/totality-realized-triglavian-invasion-goal-attained-with-27-final-liminalities/270254.md?page=5)