# Toxicity in Eve **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 16, 2017, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312 "2017-08-16T13:24:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/185 "2017-10-09T19:02:26Z")
A) If you want to address me, speak my name or click reply on my post. You did neither. Saves me having to fking ask for clarification. B) What the fk makes you think I dont actively act against people blaming the game or others rather than themselves for their mistakes? What the fk is your point? Are you high? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/186 "2017-10-09T19:05:55Z")
> [@Linus\_Gorp](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > As how this relates to EVE or this topic? > > There are two possible options > > 1. You don’t understand my response to your post. > 2. You don’t understand what you yourself have posted. > > I made my point by giving you an example on why you’re wrong. Instead of engaging it and defending your viewpoint, you came along with denial and that it _isn’t relevant to the topic_. If you believe that my post to your post is irrelevant to this topic, then so is yours. Wat? Has it occurred to you that: 3. You are not making any sense, let alone as relating to topic? You claimed that someone that could have perhaps prevented a murder, is somehow guilty of that murder. Are you that estranged from legal and objective reality that you think that is the case, much more wtf is the relevance to EVE? If someone standing next to me shoots someone and kills someone, how am I guilty of murder? You need your head checked, man. In EVE, if someone blows up a ship near me, is that somehow my fault cos I didnt intervene? ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/187 "2017-10-09T19:07:34Z")
So you don’t want to answer my questions? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/188 "2017-10-09T19:10:40Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > So you don’t want to answer my questions? How do you, yourself, answer your own question, cos Im confused what you think you are asking. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/189 "2017-10-09T19:20:54Z")
You said that there are many who think like I do. I do not question that they exist, but I question that it matters. As long as they are single, independent voices, they don’t matter. To prove my point, I ask questions: > [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > Answer me this: > > You want HTFU back and you’re not alone. You’re not the only one and that’s easily apparent. Why aren’t you guys collectively, actively, working towards it, in game? Is it, because you don’t know how? Is it, because you believe that there is no use, because no one cares about your voices? Your voices don’t really matter? Is it, because bitching about it is all “you” can do? Is it, because politics has taught people that it doesn’t matter what they think and want? What is it? I don’t mean to be aggressive. I ask these questions, because I believe that they bring up the point I’m trying to make. So I ask you to answer them. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/190 "2017-10-09T19:24:27Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > I ask these questions, because I believe that they bring up the point I’m trying to make. What have you done that you presume to ask this of others? ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/191 "2017-10-09T19:26:35Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > 1. You are not making any sense, let alone as relating to topic? That’s 1) in other words paired with denial because you don’t want to or can’t comprehend the argument, despite having it explained to you. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You claimed that someone that could have perhaps prevented a murder, is somehow guilty of that murder. Are you that estranged from legal and objective reality that you think that is the case There’s actually a legal definition for it. It’s called _complicity to murder_, like I pointed out a few posts above. And yes, you can go to jail for it for a very long time. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > If someone standing next to me shoots someone and kills someone, how am I guilty of murder? You need your head checked, man. You need to read and _comprehend_ before trying to counter an argument. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > In EVE, if someone blows up a ship near me, is that somehow my fault cos I didnt intervene? Does it matter? Is there a legal system in EVE? Are there any repercussions if you don’t do anything? Are there repercussions if you do? > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Dont mistake silence for complicity, compliance or agreement. > > There are far more voices in the world than those that speak out. > [@Linus\_Gorp](#): > > Those that stand idly by while a murder is being committed right next to them that they could have prevented could just as well have committed the murder themselves. Doesn’t matter if they think that murdering people is wrong or not. Try [abstraction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction). It really isn’t hard to see the correlation between my comment and yours. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/192 "2017-10-09T19:27:59Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > What have you done that you presume to ask this of others? He wants you to start thinking about what you write and what he writes in response to it. Something you’ve been quite stubborn to refuse so far. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/193 "2017-10-09T19:32:03Z")
Stop. Please. It’s too much. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/194 "2017-10-09T19:32:29Z")
Why are you not simply answering the questions? ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/195 "2017-10-09T19:33:23Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > Stop. Please. It’s too much. Politeness isn’t going to get you anywhere when directness is required to get the point across. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/196 "2017-10-09T19:35:32Z")
You dont understand law, much less the most demanding and exclusive charge of murder. Nor is any of that relevant to EVE. Blowing up a ship in EVE is not murder. Nor is standing near someone that commits murder. You have no idea what you are talking about. Its not a matter of “abstraction”, its a complicated result of legality resulting from thousands of years of jurisprudence. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/197 "2017-10-09T19:39:29Z")
> [@Linus\_Gorp](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > What have you done that you presume to ask this of others? > > He wants you to start thinking about what you write and what he writes in response to it. Something you’ve been quite stubborn to refuse so far. Exactly. I want him to start thinking about what he wrote and what he writes in response to mine. Something he has been quite stubborn to refuse so far. He cant. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/198 "2017-10-09T19:40:13Z")
If I would have another example for the same point, I’d have used it. But would that have helped, I doubt it. It IS a matter of abstraction. Because I made an ABSTRACT point and just used a specific example to make that point. Instead of comprehending the abstract point I made, you’re entirely focusing on the specific example, while also ignoring parts of exactly that example. That’s where you went wrong and that’s why you don’t get the point. You’re seeing it from the completely wrong angle. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/199 "2017-10-09T19:45:18Z")
You compared EVE ship destruction to murder. You claimed anyone that does not prevent a murder, is complicit in murder. You claimed murder is a matter of abstraction. All the above are unequivocably false. Ship destruction in EVE is not murder. Not stopping a murder, does not make you complicit. Murder is not an abstract, it is a concrete result of both intent and act. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/200 "2017-10-09T19:49:26Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > Why are you not simply answering the questions? I told you. I dont understand your fking paragraph long question. Answer it yourself first and show me what it is you want to know. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/201 "2017-10-09T19:50:15Z")
I’ll stop torturing you with it. But answer me one question, please. Are you sober? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/202 "2017-10-09T19:56:02Z")
> [@Linus\_Gorp](#): > > I’ll stop torturing you with it. But answer me one question, please. Are you sober? So your intent was to torture me? And now you try to imply that I am somehow impaired (by alcohol). Wtf is wrong with you? ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Gorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linus_gorp/32/317333_2.png) [@Linus\_Gorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Linus_Gorp)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/203 "2017-10-09T20:03:44Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > So your intent was to torture me? Not at all, no. I merely intended for that to mean that I’ll stop trying to get you do understand my point. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > And now you try to imply that I am somehow impaired (by alcohol). It’s just a guess because I usually know you to be able to make decent arguments and comprehend a point. Your reactions in this thread don’t really fit how I usually perceive you, hence the question if you’re influenced by something at the moment. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Wtf is wrong with you? Autism. No social competence 'n such. Hence why I’m so direct. It’s because my brain doesn’t work like that of a “normal” person. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312/204 "2017-10-09T20:09:27Z")
> [@Linus\_Gorp](#): > > Autism. No social competence 'n such Ok. Fair enough. State to me, in one direct, concise statement, what is your point with all this. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/toxicity-in-eve/17312.md?page=11)