# Training time issues we are 2019 now, CCP is back in 2004 still **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 23, 2019, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331 "2019-01-23T04:32:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/183 "2019-01-30T11:19:58Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > So stop repeating your crap. Very few people think that you’re right, and for the most part those that do are trolls. This is not my concern… In other words i don’t care… ---
**Author:** ![zen-vexor01\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zen-vexor01_lsg/32/106581_2.png) [@zen-vexor01\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zen-vexor01_LSG)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/184 "2019-01-30T11:20:24Z")
you are preaching to the choir, but nobody else is listening you 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/185 "2019-01-30T11:41:57Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > This is not my concern… It should be, a lot of the people that are saying you are wrong are PvE players; the very people that you claim to represent . > In other words i don’t care… If that is the case, would you kindly sod off and not care somewhere else please. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/186 "2019-01-30T13:02:50Z")
You tease nothing, you just make you look like a fool. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/187 "2019-01-30T13:14:15Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > Repeating it does not juice more sense out of it… Same for you. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Alharazaad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omar_alharazaad/32/253881_2.png) [@Omar\_Alharazaad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omar_Alharazaad)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/188 "2019-01-30T13:35:35Z")
I’d buy Balos. I’d buy Balos a LOT. Then I’d take him out and purify him in blood and fire. But, and I do hate to admit this, you do have a point with the character bazaar. With skill extractors/injectors there’s little point to it anymore because you can just cash up to what you want anyways. Add plex into the mix and you’ve got instant gratification advancement. This is all well and good in the hands of the experienced, but in the hands of a newbro it’s a recipe for a painful lesson from Professor Omar. Thing is, precisely because of these things there is a cloud of uncertainty that arises when dealing with any apparent ‘young’ character. And this is where you and I differ on a fundamental level; I assume that any young character flying a ship that’s historically outside of their reach is simply an alt of an experienced player and as such is fully fair game for my particular brand of fuckery, whereas you would advocate leaving them in peace as they most certainly are newbies. Unfortunately, this is EVE despite all of your arguments to the contrary, and it’s safer to presume treachery over ignorance… so shooting the lil guy is now the soup of the day. Also, logging in. How do you want yours cooked? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/189 "2019-01-30T14:19:36Z")
Kill da wabbit. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/b/8bb2b2f27980dc5e843d82bc8c734b00cd21a2ac.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Alharazaad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omar_alharazaad/32/253881_2.png) [@Omar\_Alharazaad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omar_Alharazaad)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/190 "2019-01-30T14:57:00Z")
Here you go Veers… I mean Balos. Another dead bird at your feet. > **[Praxis | UsagiNoKaze Hikarina | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/74880855/)** > > UsagiNoKaze Hikarina (Imperial Shipment) lost their Praxis in Penirgman (Domain). Final Blow by Omar Alharazaad (An Interesting Corp) flying in a Ishkur. Total Value: 106,080,232.39 ISK Kill it forward mail as follows. Praxis vs Ishkur From: Omar Alharazaad Sent: 2019.01.30 14:55 To: UsagiNoKaze Hikarina, Greetings and salutations. I am writing in response to our lively bout in Penirgman this morning twixt your Praxis and my Ishkur. Firstly, thanks ever so much for engaging me in holy combat in dispute of your treasured metal scraps. Twas glorious on soo many levels. Honestly, I was quite surprised that you had such a bevy of light drones at your disposal. Wave after wave nearly overwhelmed my armor repper, with my own drones working overtime to just try to stem the tide of your little swarm there. After the fact I discovered your stash of no less than 46 more acolyte I’s to bring to bear I was near gobsmacked, had you a chance to deploy that Mobile Depot of yours I would have been befuckered on another level entirely. Why did I drop in to pay you this little visit? Well, to be blunt, I’ve got this special needs carebear on the forums who’s seemingly bereft of any kind of adult guidance, so I’ve taken it upon myself to demonstrate to him in terms that he can understand the notion of consequences of actions within the game. I’m sorry, but our conflict really amounted to little more than a lesson on how things are and should be for my special little window licker. He believes for some odd reason that we should all be safe in high sec. You obviously disagree, because if you couldn’t shoot at people who steal your metal scraps then who will? If you want to help me in correcting his wrong minded approach to this glorious dark and gritty game, then by all means. He goes by the name of Balos Tritapo, and if you plead your case to him I’m certain he’d be willing to reimburse your obviously unjust (in his eyes) loss at my hands. Forever a fan, Omar Alharazaad. Fly safe, and if you can’t, at least enjoy flying in a ball of fire. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/191 "2019-01-30T16:37:33Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > PVP only in specific areas of the game…many if not all games have that…its part of a changed mmog style and CCP has to accept that… Or you could, you know, go play one of those games and stop trying to change a game many people enjoy into something else? ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/192 "2019-01-30T18:11:57Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Or you could, you know, go play one of those games and stop trying to change a game many people enjoy into something else? no… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/193 "2019-01-30T19:54:53Z")
The X must change PvP in order to survive in the modern market is a common theme on the forums/reddits of most PvP games, thankfully the devs of those games seem to know who their target audience are and, for the most part, ignore the whining of those who aren’t capable of dealing with a full PvP environment; because they’re not the people their game is aimed at. That would be you Balos. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/194 "2019-01-30T22:37:59Z")
Balos: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/8/7884b507c08e3c0636dd4ab254c999fffda48891.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/195 "2019-01-31T04:40:37Z")
Don’t fix what ain’t broke. Eve is now one of the longest running mmos. It has survived long after most of its contemporaries died out. And even now with the mmo market still in a slump it’s much healthier in terms of remaining players vs all time peak than any other 10+ year old game. Eve may not be perfect, there are certainly things that need fixing. But for now at least eve works, I’m not sure if anyone, even the devs know exactly why. But whatever weird combination it’s got has kept it alive far longer than it should have. That’s not to say changes can’t, or shouldn’t happen. But they need to be done carefully, ripping out training time entirely, or any other drastic change to the underlying formula of the game is far more likely to kill the game than fix it. Maybe eve will die off next year, maybe in 5 years. Who knows, no matter what it’s had one hell of a run. But it’s far safer to keep it chugging along on whatever formula has been keeping it running for as long as it can. Then to go ripping pieces out of it and risk killing it prematurely or leaving it a shadow of what it was. ---
**Author:** ![xxxTRUSTxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxxtrustxxx/32/285949_2.png) [@xxxTRUSTxxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxxTRUSTxxx)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/196 "2019-01-31T14:39:01Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > The problem is me beeing right and some others don’t like the conclusuions i have to draw for what this game has to become in order to survive… The problem is you do not understand what you are talking about. > [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > But as i said…not my concern…i KNOW i am right regardless what they spit out… being ignorant doesn’t make you right. > [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > They have their own pety interests for the game shall not change…look behind the curtain and you see it’s all about their own convinience… This game has had many changes over the years, there is nothing wrong with change, infact i love it when CCP change things up a little, change is good, but the changes you want are game breaking and you do not care or just don’t understand the bad effects these mental changes you call for would cause and how bad they would be for the game. > [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > Guys like xxxTRUSTxxx are just so furious about me because they cannot stand the fact that their normal tactics to shut someone like me up or scare me away do not work at all…they cannot stand that i KEEP my opinion regardless what they say…and that i’m right…they simply do not like the picture they see in the mirrow i’m holding… I’m not furiuos about you, there is not tactics to silence you or scare you away, you’ve been offered help to learn the game, you don’t want help. opinions are like arseholes, everyones got one, you can keep your opinions, but they are wrong! so keep posting from your dead alt, your posts make zero sense, i 'd love to see you learn the game and actually join in and enjoy it. but that’s not going to happen is it 😉 that’s not on your agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/197 "2019-01-31T15:07:14Z")
> [@xxxTRUSTxxx](#): > > > The problem is me beeing right and some others don’t like the conclusuions i have to draw for what this game has to become in order to survive… > > The problem is you do not understand what you are talking about. > > > But as i said…not my concern…i KNOW i am right regardless what they spit out… > > being ignorant doesn’t make you right. > > > They have their own pety interests for the game shall not change…look behind the curtain and you see it’s all about their own convinience… > > This game has had many changes over the years, there is nothing wrong with change, infact i love it when CCP change things up a little, change is good, but the changes you want are game breaking and you do not care or just don’t understand the bad effects these mental changes you call for would cause and how bad they would be for the game. > > > Guys like xxxTRUSTxxx are just so furious about me because they cannot stand the fact that their normal tactics to shut someone like me up or scare me away do not work at all…they cannot stand that i KEEP my opinion regardless what they say…and that i’m right…they simply do not like the picture they see in the mirrow i’m holding… > > I’m not furiuos about you, there is not tactics to silence you or scare you away, you’ve been offered help to learn the game, you don’t want help. > opinions are like arseholes, everyones got one, you can keep your opinions, but they are wrong! > > so keep posting from your dead alt, your posts make zero sense, i 'd love to see you learn the game and actually join in and enjoy it. but that’s not going to happen is it 😉 that’s not on your agenda. You cannot be more pathetic can you? Denying what is right for the games’ survival with a simple “we did this since 2003” and “you don’t know how the game has to be” as you do is naive at best for not to use stronger words… I KNOW the game and what best for it and no conservative “keepr of the 2003 status” will hinder me in stating that…EVER… If something is outdated MODERNIZE it,LEARN from more succesful games on the market and do not call those games “not worth of knock on eves door”…because this snotty appearence is the main problem this game has… “We” are Eve,“We do not need to look at the market because(you may know it) “we are eve””… People like you just orbit around themselves and meanwhile the game looses players in big numbers because of its outdated status…this is like Trump saying “we don’t need to modernize the industry,we need protection duties for them”…completely unreasonable but you do something …that it’s the wrong thing,who cares… But you ignore this reality because “We are eve”… But this does not work anymore…people are judging with their feet and so the ONLY reasonable answer is DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT…and not "carry on like the last 15 years… I really feel sorry for people in bubbles like you…those dam reality will hit you hard some day… But at this day you only will feel “betrayed” by ccp because they “give up 15 years of tradition and throw it into the trashbin”…and you will reagquit… What you NOT will realize will be that it was the ONLY POSSIBLE reaction… Sad ,sad people you are… ---
**Author:** ![xxxTRUSTxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxxtrustxxx/32/285949_2.png) [@xxxTRUSTxxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxxTRUSTxxx)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/198 "2019-01-31T15:18:29Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > I KNOW the game and what best for it and no conservative “keepr of the 2003 status” will hinder me in stating that…EVER… I’m sorry, but no, you don’t know the game and you haven’t a clue what’s good or bad for it. > [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > I really feel sad for people in bubbles like you…those dam reality will hit you hard some day… The only bubble around here is the Balos Bubble. > [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > But at this day you only will feel “betrayed” by ccp because they “give up 15 years of tradition and throw it into the trashbin”…and you will reagquit… lol you are delusional. > [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > Sad ,sad people you are… you really have an issue with our community, it’s not healthy and you really should seek some help. btw: this is the company you think will turn EVE into Hello kitty online. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V117Ycxb6a0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V117Ycxb6a0) Build your dreams. Wreck their dreams. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/199 "2019-01-31T15:29:44Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > I KNOW the game and what best for it > [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > Trump You sir, are an idiot. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/d/2d18c98e6ff05078ff46a413288acc8e15c6e12c.gif) > People like you just orbit around themselves Irony, in spades > and meanwhile the game looses players in big numbers because of its outdated status The game has lost players in large numbers since day 1, because Eve is not for everyone. Learn to play or get off the field. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/200 "2019-01-31T18:57:58Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > I KNOW the game and what best for it you don’t know the game, every time we ask you a concrete question about a concrete mechanic, you dodge it. You are a crook. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/201 "2019-01-31T19:13:38Z")
> [@Balos\_Tritapo](#): > > You cannot be more pathetic can you? > > Denying what is right for the games’ survival with a simple “we did this since 2003” and “you don’t know how the game has to be” as you do is naive at best for not to use stronger words… > > I KNOW the game and what best for it and no conservative “keepr of the 2003 status” will hinder me in stating that…EVER… > > If something is outdated MODERNIZE it,LEARN from more succesful games on the market and do not call thise games “not worth of knock on eves door”…because this snotty appearence is the main problem this game has… “We” are Eve,“We do not need to look at the market because(you may know it) “we are eve””… > People like you just orbit around themselves and meanwhile the game looses players in big numbers because of its outdated status…this is like Trump saying “we don’t need to modernize the industry,we need protection duties for them”…completely unreasonable but you do something …that it’s the wrong thing,who cares… > But you ignore this reality because “We are eve”… > > But this does not work anymore…people are judging with their feet and so the ONLY reasonable answer is DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT…and not "carry on like the last 15 years… > > I really feel sorry for people in bubbles like you…those dam reality will hit you hard some day… > > But at this day you only will feel “betrayed” by ccp because they “give up 15 years of tradition and throw it into the trashbin”…and you will reagquit… > What you NOT will realize will be that it was the ONLY POSSIBLE reaction… > > Sad ,sad people you are… You really really really reaaaallly ought to get laid sometime. ---
**Author:** ![Desmo\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/desmo_ormand/32/266634_2.png) [@Desmo\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Desmo_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/training-time-issues-we-are-2019-now-ccp-is-back-in-2004-still/135331/202 "2019-01-31T19:57:06Z")
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