# Triglavian collective - known facts - UPDATE 21/08/120 **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [April 13, 2018, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-collective-known-facts-update-21-08-120/69439 "2018-04-13T11:28:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 179
**Author:** ![Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/umbre_fallenstar/32/260859_2.png) [@Umbre\_Fallenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Umbre_Fallenstar)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-collective-known-facts-update-21-08-120/69439/179 "2018-09-05T09:18:42Z")
First, let me thank you for your input ! > [@Sojourn: The Abyss](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sojourn-the-abyss/80800/184): > > So I delved into the Abyss extensively in past few days, and I have some thoughts about the scarce data that my ship scanners could gather. > > 1. There are planets that dont look like there would be life on them. > 2. Stars other than in actual abyssal system are not visible. > 3. There is a lot of stuff around, asteroids, all kinds and sizes of objects like planetesimals, also dust clouds. Very chaotic environment, also gravitationally. While I agree with most of what you said, I’m forced to set a precision: it’s not because a planet do not harbour life naturally that it can’t have been colonized, we, capsuleers do it all the time on plasma, barren, gas, etc in K-space. Even if life is not naturally present, given the technological level Triglavians show, it is _possible_ they have installation on planets. > [@Sojourn: The Abyss](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sojourn-the-abyss/80800/184): > > I think that suggests protoplanetary disks or systems in process of creation, accretion of material for planets. Systems where planets are still forming. Dust and gas in such protoplanetary disks would prohibit light of distant stars from coming to the location where we can reach Abyssal space. The planets seen seem to be terrestial cores or early life gas giants dense cores, bombarded constantly with stuff. While it remains a possibility, I do not think it is the case. If they are indeed systems in formations, we would encounter only white stars, but we do encounter yellow and even red ones, meaning those “stars” are old. Which is incompatible with an accretion disk. I’m sticking with my theory of pockets of gravitational maelstrom existing since a very long time. A “normal” system, even in formation, would not allow exotics particules and dark matter to be generated like this. In the same fashion, if we indeed were in an accretion disk, we would not encounter “spikes” because everything would have been rounded by collisions and worse, in the case of “crystals”, such giant-sized cristals could only be formed in a high pressure environnement which is far more compatible with a gravitational maelstrom model. > [@Sojourn: The Abyss](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sojourn-the-abyss/80800/184): > > That is why I think Triglavians themselves seem to be a migrant culture living only in space, not on planets. The lack of big structures other than “pylons”, the lack of habitations look like its completely migrant culture where people live on their ships, probably on limited resources, where synthetic food is a must, cellular agriculture maybe, where bioengineered bacteria make stuff you could eat. Given the highly possibility that they are “proving” us, it’s far more likely that we only saw a fraction of their “territories”. At first I was also convinced that their were a migrant civilization. But as time pass, I’m less and less convinced. At first we thought that we were limited in time because of the pocket collapsing. But recent update in the aura-systems show that it is in fact our warp core that disintegrate. It is therefore possible that the “filaments” are in fact highly specialized mutaplasmid taking control of our warp engine. If there is no time limit, then you can, as I said earlier, settle on planets, asteroids, etc. I do not remember where I talked about it, but given the energy levels in AD, food is not a problem. With the kind of energy they have, if you have the time to develop the tech, it may even be to manufacture the elements you need by alternating nuclear fission and fusion. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-collective-known-facts-update-21-08-120/69439)._