# Triglavian Fleet Destroying Pods and Ships in High Sec - November 2020 **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Tags:** pve\ **Created:** [November 9, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984 "2020-11-09T21:16:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/181 "2021-02-15T19:45:19Z")
> [@Vadania\_Danann](#): > > Please, tell me you see the elephant in the room now. I just take EvE as a game where the developers throws obstacles at us players, and it is part of this game to find solution for those artificial problems. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/182 "2021-02-15T19:50:15Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > it is part of this game to find solution for those artificial problems Just like PLEX is a part of game economy and solution for the artificially created problems. Expect other methods to deal with problems to be nerfed considerably. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/183 "2021-02-15T19:52:50Z")
I don’t need PLEX or much ISK to solve problems in EvE. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/184 "2021-02-15T19:54:52Z")
You may just sit in a station and spin the venture for all I care. Like CCP, they doesnt look at you. I am too a very bad customer for them. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/185 "2021-02-15T19:55:47Z")
If you don’t like the game, don’t play it. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/186 "2021-02-15T19:57:16Z")
I am just pointing out things for people to see, so they dont fall for them. Just like you, Yes, playing something else is a good thing, widens perspectives. ---
**Author:** ![Vadania\_Danann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vadania_danann/32/391007_2.png) [@Vadania\_Danann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vadania_Danann)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/187 "2021-02-15T20:28:49Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > > [@Vadania\_Danann](#): > > > > Imagine a mob of Crips or Bloods beating an honnest man or woman to death for no reason on the street of Manhattan in plain day light, in front of the NYPD and a couple of FBI agents having their donoughts as they watch the scene. > > Right but in this case it would be person on person combat and law breaking which they would deal with like concord would, triglavians aren’t players, so trying to compare it to real life is just silly You pick and chose and make strawman fallacy arguments in just about anything we say. I changed the example with ISIS mobs, if that looks more like common day pirate to you. Plus, you can say Trigs are doing act of terrorism. Is that a more appropriate example for you to understand the non-sense of the Trigs in high sec random gang bang at stargates implementation by CCP? Actually, trying to make common sense of non-sense implementation of this like you do is just silly. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/188 "2021-02-15T20:48:38Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > WH is a trig invasion Is the ownership of the system at risk? No? Then its an incursion not an invasion, and what other incursion do NPC’s also not get involved in? 😛 The sansha one, now, like it or not but both follow the same rules when it comes to NPC engagement, the difference is one has an active battle with systemwide effects and lasts multiple days and the other lasts 12 hours or less if you roll the WH > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > To deal with trigs EDENCOM was created, but CCP made it confined only to some systems now and lacklustre because CCP wants your MONEY. They were confined to systems where a permanent change of status was involved, now that they aren’t the invasion phase has ended and they only police the systems they claimed control of ---
**Author:** ![Sarah\_Olson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sarah_olson/32/377582_2.png) [@Sarah\_Olson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sarah_Olson)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/189 "2021-02-15T20:51:07Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > Concord only deals with unsanctioned combat between players, they have never cared about NPC combat and have never protected you from them This only half true. Yes Concord in game have never protected players from NPC’s but they certainly do care about the pirate factions. Concord puts bounties on criminal NPCs and rewards capsuleers and presumably npc bounty hunters with security status for destroying them. Concord has helped organize and setup the resistance to Sansha incursions. Finally, Concord regularly sponsors SWAT and special forces raids deep into pirate null sec to bring pirate NPCs to justice. These raids can be found if you mission for the pirate factions. So yes, Concord DOES care about law breaking NPCs, which is why their inaction is just stupid from a lore perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/190 "2021-02-15T20:57:59Z")
> [@Sarah\_Olson](#): > > So yes, Concord DOES care about law breaking NPCs, which is why their inaction is just stupid from a lore perspective. Citing lore doesn’t change my point, i’m talking actual mechanics when it comes to the physical entities that carry the concord name, not the lore reason for why payments come from that corp, because those payments could just as easily come from anywhere ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/191 "2021-02-15T21:01:59Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > Is the ownership of the system at risk? It isnt about ownership. It is about law. CCP makes that law in game and its stupid. Illogical. Allows for disruption of empire space, allows for destruction of empire assets like spiced wine and killing exotic dancers. Everyone who defends that law is criminal. I said it. You may believe what you want. I dont really care, like CCP doesnt care about you. They care only about peoples money. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/192 "2021-02-15T21:08:23Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > It isnt about ownership. It is about law. CCP makes that law in game and its stupid. Sure it is, this is what differentiates an incursion and an invasion with regards to ingame rules, you can disagree but these are the two terms CCP has used to define the mechanics, you think its stupid because you’re trying to apply invasion rules to incursion mechanics > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > You may believe what you want. And i will continue to believe in the difference between the terms invasion and incursion within the mechanics of the game > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Allows for disruption of empire space You mean like the event did from the start, and i fail to see how this is a bad thing, did CCP ever claim there would never be disruption in empire space? if not i don’t really see an issue myself, but like i said, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/193 "2021-02-15T21:14:48Z")
Trigs are different than sansha, You know that, who do you want to fool? Yourself? They need money to pay off PA. Destruction is in their eyes the incentive for casuals to pay more. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/194 "2021-02-15T21:19:47Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Trigs are different than sansha, You know that, who do you want to fool? Not trying to fool anyone, its a simple case of the names CCP assigned to the 2 mechanics, its extremely simple, i know you can do it > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > They need money to pay off PA. Pay them off for what exactly? PA own CCP as a whole > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Destruction is in their eyes the incentive for casuals to pay more. Destruction is what EVE was always about and that sadly lapsed over the years in order to appeal to the casuals, now we are getting back to the HTFU era, personally i welcome that change The wise adapt ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/195 "2021-02-15T21:34:00Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > its a simple case of the names CCP assigned to the 2 mechanics CCP created stuff that is there now to reach goals put on them by PA. Not to make fun game or logical gameplay or even with lore that makes sense. > [@Cypherous](#): > > Pay them off for what exactly? Investment. PA needs to get returns on investment. WHen you buy a money making machine, you turn it to 11. > [@Cypherous](#): > > Destruction is what EVE was always about No. It was about sandbox, player emergence, not NPCs bashing you on gate in high sec. With these what players do doesnt matter. Trigs will always come back, like stupid, mindless zombies. 🤢 > [@Cypherous](#): > > The wise adapt No, the wise uninstall. PA with CCP will crank it up to 12. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/196 "2021-02-15T22:03:56Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Not to make fun game Well i’m having fun with the changes, so seems like they managed both, not every change is going to appeal to every player, nor should it > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Investment. PA needs to get returns on investment. WHen you buy a money making machine, you turn it to 11. Thats the thing, PA didn’t buy CCP because EVE is a money printing machine, as korean MMO developers they already have enough cash cows to milk, they don’t need a niche MMO to do that, they bought CCP for the tech they built and the experience they have making large scale games, buying EVE was just a side effect of that Why bother buying an entire company when you can just reskin a gacha and make a fortune 😛 > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > No, the wise uninstall. Well it will be a shame to lose you then Nana, but you gotta do what you gotta do i guess 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/197 "2021-02-15T22:16:56Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > Thats the thing, PA didn’t buy CCP because EVE is a money printing machine, as korean MMO developers they already have enough cash cows to milk, they don’t need a niche MMO to do that, they bought CCP for the tech they built and the experience they have making large scale games, buying EVE was just a side effect of that You keep telling that to yourself? They seen POTENTIAL, what CCP didnt yet fully exploited, while they could. This is one of the things that differentiates CCP from before PA and after PA. PA is more efficient with that stuff, and they seen what can be made. You think they bought them because of experience with TiDi? No, hell no. 😂 > [@Cypherous](#): > > Well it will be a shame to lose you then Nana, but you gotta do what you gotta do i guess Nobody is losing anyone. That entity transcendents. Also years back I got enough PLEX from playing to PLEX my accounts in EVE for years and years into future. Now I will spin ships in station and tell everyone how CCP sucks. :psyccp: ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/198 "2021-02-15T22:41:35Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > They seen POTENTIAL, what CCP didnt yet fully exploited Thing is, it doesn’t actually make any business sense in the least, you can argue common sense and logic sure, but its far cheaper for them to buy a generic pre-built gacha system and then repeatedly milk and monetise that than there ever was from EVE I mean you can literally look at the earnings report yourself > **[3Q20 Earnings Presentation | Pearl Abyss](https://www.pearlabyss.com/en-US/Board/Detail?_boardNo=1373)** > > Pearl Abyss is a game company that aspires to create new, exhilarating, unforgettable adventures and experiences. Page 6 specifically, the EVE IP (which covers both EO and echoes) accounts for 18% of their total PC income, with BDO accounting for the other 72%, meaning EVE accounts for a little over 8% of their total income, please do explain how you think EVE is an untapped resource compared to either BDO or literally any free to play mobile game they could spit out with ease They aren’t doing it because EVE is an untapped cash cow, sure the game is making them money, but its by no means one of their big earners nor will it really ever be, by all means keep telling yourself that its because of the money and not because of the underlying technologies which they can take and use for other projects that will make them small fortunes Or are you going to start claiming that earnings report that was given to investors is a lie and that CCP actually makes them far more money than that The numbers don’t lie ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/199 "2021-02-15T22:49:09Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/b/8bc05e4ddd56229a8455ade953205e44d2bdc1cf.png) ](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kgK54QlwxmI/X6y-dBgO53I/AAAAAAAAFRI/fqEo6pt-9q0IrOV8mbWyw5f0MmTySvXXQCNcBGAsYHQ/s960/Q3+2020+Revenue+Breakdown.png) They are untapping that resource as you can see. Its why CCP was aquired in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984/200 "2021-02-15T23:08:26Z")
Yes ofc, compared to the existing MMO they already have Even assuming the high revenue for the last quarter PA isn’t anywhere near covering the cost of buying CCP just based on EVE alone, even if they were to have made 21 billion KRW per quarter since buying them (they didn’t) then EVE would have brought in 228 million USD in revenue since purchased, this obviously doesn’t include the operating costs, including things like wages, which would have to come out of that revenue Now, given we know that they only made 27.8 billion KRW in actual profit (25 million USD) and we know that EVE only accounts for 8% of their total revenue we can deduce that EVE has potentially made them around a total whopping 2 million USD this quarter, time that by 12 for the 3 financial years and you’re talking around 24 million USD at most (the actual number is lower as they didn’t have the same revenue each year), which isn’t insignificant in terms of actual cash, however when you factor in they paid $425 million USD for CCP as a whole Well, i’m sure i don’t need to do the math on that right? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-fleet-destroying-pods-and-ships-in-high-sec-november-2020/278984.md?page=11)