# Triglavian Ganking **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 17, 2019, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352 "2019-08-17T10:54:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Derath\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derath_ellecon/32/289725_2.png) [@Derath\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derath_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/410 "2019-11-06T22:40:54Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > So far the only CODE. gankers I’ve sawn(only one, plasma death or something like that) was very civile in his discussion with new player he ganked. Also most of the community was nice enough to help a new bro get better. While there may be some validity to that. I’ve never ganked anyone. Well I’ve popped some newbies in a WH once or twice if you call that a gank. But every time I talked to them about it, taught them how to use dscan, and gave them enough isk to replace their ship + fittings. However at least going from the thread subject (its too long to try and catch up) it would seem we are talking about roaming triglavian popping new players. That is a bit different. NPC’s don’t talk to them afterwards to explain how to get better. They don’t help explain that their overview was f\*\*ked and thats why they never saw them. Getting popped by trigs just leads to frustration. for a new player. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/411 "2019-11-06T22:45:01Z")
> [@Derath\_Ellecon](#): > > However at least going from the thread subject (its too long to try and catch up) it would seem we are talking about roaming triglavian popping new players. That is a bit different. NPC’s don’t talk to them afterwards to explain how to get better. They don’t help explain that their overview was f\*\*ked and thats why they never saw them. Getting popped by trigs just leads to frustration. for a new player. Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/412 "2019-11-06T23:10:38Z")
> [@Derath\_Ellecon](#): > > However at least going from the thread subject (its too long to try and catch up) it would seem we are talking about roaming triglavian popping new players. That is a bit different. NPC’s don’t talk to them afterwards to explain how to get better. They don’t help explain that their overview was f\*\*ked and thats why they never saw them. Getting popped by trigs just leads to frustration. for a new player. Exactly. Getting killed by another player will drive some people to quit, but a lot of those are the people who don’t belong in EVE anyway. The sort of person who is likely to become a long term player is likely to take that death as a challenge and swear revenge and/or try to figure out how to become a ganker. And, more importantly, EVE being the kind of game where PvP is everywhere and unavoidable keeps its market niche intact. So there are obvious advantages here to offset the loss of new players. Getting randomly killed by NPCs has none of that. Getting RNGed to death is much more frustrating than being outplayed by another player because there’s no agency involved. You didn’t go up against an opponent and lose, the rules of the game randomly killed you in a way that you don’t understand. There’s no revenge to swear or opportunity to exploit because it’s just an NPC mindlessly following a RNG script. And the more this kind of thing happens the more it pushes EVE away from being a player-driven sandbox and into yet another inane PvE-focused farming game. In short, adding powerful NPCs randomly showing up to kill people was an unbelievably idiotic decision and it needs to go away. And I’d be taking a serious look at the continued employment of whoever was stupid enough to come up with such a bad idea in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/413 "2019-11-07T16:47:55Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Some people here keep saying that new players who lose ships early in the game will stay playing verses those who don’t. No, no no no no no no. Nobody is saying ganking is good for the game, we’re just saying CCP Rise is saying this: > [@CCP Rise](#): > > "People in the ‘ganked’ group were the most likely to stay subscribed… > > …People who don’t die at all were the most likely to leave the game." > > and lastly: > > “Less than one percent of cancelled subscriptions cite player harassment or ship loss as a reason.” ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/414 "2019-11-07T17:35:54Z")
Wow, you’re really dense, you keep citing something that happened years ago which is no longer relevant. And you keep portraying it completely out of context. That whole CCP Rise presentation was for a new NPE. And he was talking about new players who only had 30 days or less in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/415 "2019-11-07T17:36:22Z")
TL;DR You’re saying that there’s a correlation, you’re not claiming a causation. @DeMichael_Crimson, while you’re correct that the presentation was 4 years ago, CCP Rise explicitly opened it with a 4 question survey regarding how the audience perceived suicide ganking and how it affects new players; hence @Galaxy_Pig isn’t technically using the quote in an out of context manner. Whether or not it’s a relevant presentation today is a matter of opinion, just as an individual’s perception of the presentation itself will differ from that of others. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/416 "2019-11-07T20:12:27Z")
That could mean alts are used as ‘free tools’ and do menial tasks inside the npc station and abandoned after the 30 day trail. Linking this study to ganking is far fetched. People try and explain you how scientific studies work and you -representing gankers- even started to claim you just cited it without making conclusions. I wonder how many players just left the game due to low effort forum posts. In before you start posting “Hahahaha I am not flat-earth believer kind of special I was just trolling for hundreds of posts”. Look up to the comment where you specified ‘no one gets a ban for posting lies.’ that is technically true, but trolling is not allowed. CCP gave up on these forums long ago. Try the same on r/eve… ---
**Author:** ![Lola\_Munijugs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lola_munijugs/32/381372_2.png) [@Lola\_Munijugs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lola_Munijugs)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/417 "2019-11-24T20:08:10Z")
> [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > There’s also a new advertisement video for the Vitalshift skins. Lookout, Clear Vision Guy, competition for billboard space is gettin’ fierce. First off, after reading so many threads today, I really needed this solid LOL, thank you! > [@Tor\_Manx](#): > > I’m a returning player and wanted to understand both sides to the story, so figured I’d see the affects of Trigs. Admirable, and welcome back. I’m trying to catalog the effects and opinions of the triglavian hi-sec impact on players myself. > [@Tor\_Manx](#): > > That said, I came to understand some of the players frustrations with the changes. In both of the engagements, the Trigs knocked out one of my drones. Agreed, having your multi-million isk drones insta-popped is a pretty ugly thing. I couldn’t even recall a Mining Drone II that was 1km away quickly enough to save it in my experiments today. > [@Nyr](#): > > Why would CCP do this. This is BAD, CCP needs new players badly, so lets kill them off and scare them from the game. I have to agree with this sentiment. As someone who skulks around low sec and blows up newbies, I ALWAYS engage with them in a convo before popping them to see if they’d like to join our little crew and if nothing else, give them some money and a bit of advice. The triglavians offer nothing but frustration after they destroy a newbie. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > No, because ganking is part of the game, the onus is on CCP is to manage it properly so it is an interesting feature and not some mindless easy to do turn off. > > At this point I think that CCP has the balance right Player ganking, yes I would agree. Triglavian ganking? Seems a bit out of whack still… > [@Derath\_Ellecon](#): > > However at least going from the thread subject (its too long to try and catch up) it would seem we are talking about roaming triglavian popping new players. That is a bit different. NPC’s don’t talk to them afterwards to explain how to get better. They don’t help explain that their overview was f\*\*ked and thats why they never saw them. Getting popped by trigs just leads to frustration. for a new player. Agreed, I’ve never ever felt cheated by anyone when the ganking is done by players. Overall I like the triglavian addition, it will kill or at least frustrate botters, but there will be collateral damage in the form of upset players and bye-bye newbies. I think further tweaking is necessary, and if these entities are going to remain in the game for any amount of time, the new player experience should include warnings and information about them, along with info on the less common but far more deadly FOB rats. ---
**Author:** ![Tvashnar\_Crendraven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tvashnar_crendraven/32/399991_2.png) [@Tvashnar\_Crendraven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tvashnar_Crendraven)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/418 "2019-11-25T05:51:19Z")
There has to be a better way to encourage players to undock (you know, actually play) than blowing up their ships if they step away to take a leak. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/419 "2019-11-27T02:27:48Z")
What, like blowing up their structures? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/420 "2019-11-27T03:42:16Z")
> [@Tvashnar\_Crendraven](#): > > There has to be a better way to encourage players to undock (you know, actually play) than blowing up their ships if they step away to take a leak. Letting players do it. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2020, 3:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/421 "2020-02-25T03:42:18Z")
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