# Triglavian Ganking **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 17, 2019, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352 "2019-08-17T10:54:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/106 "2019-08-18T13:15:31Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Stop making personal attacks. You look like a retard. Irony at it’s finest. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/107 "2019-08-18T14:06:15Z")
Nice to see that it takes them 20s to kill an almost tanked venture, I looked on my badly skilled alpha (6M SP still) and this has like 3k2 EHP, so that’s 160DPs for two rats, or 80 DPS per rat. > [@Xuixien](#): > > Irony at it’s finest. meaningless post from a meaningless person. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/108 "2019-08-18T14:09:25Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > meaningless post from a meaningless person. Yes, your post was. ---
**Author:** ![Veryez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veryez/32/508712_2.png) [@Veryez](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veryez)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/109 "2019-08-18T14:16:35Z")
> [@Infinite\_Destruction](#): > > Note ! They warp to Structures, belts and Customs Offices. They usually don’t sit at one spot for more than a few minutes. They will attack ships tethered at Structures. After soloing about 30 fleets or so I would add the following: They also fight at planets and the sun. I have yet to fight any at a gate. > [@Infinite\_Destruction](#): > > Oh and it seems that no matter how many Fleets you pop, they don’t stop respawning and it’s NOT on the normal rat respawn ticker (which is every 15 minutes I think ?). > These Triglavians will respawn within minutes of the last fleet being popped. They seemed to respawn the instant the last ship was popped for me. I’ve even had a 5 ship fleet respawn right on top of the last 5 ship fleet that I popped (that was no fun in an AF). > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > If you are not tanky enough, being NOT aligned means you can take up to 150% of the time it takes to align (so12s on a proc), > recon damavik deals 33+61 damage per shot, with a 0.9\* multiplier and a 3s dealy so 28.2 DPS from disintegrator. > the launcher uses 45EM+45 kin damage majorana, with a \*5 mult and a delay of 7s so it’s 64.2 DPS. > total is 92.4 DPS. > rats go by three, so total is 277 DPS. Good numbers, I was using ~200 dps as a guide. Sub 200 DPS was a challenge. Sitting still they were a challenge for an ishtar, the ADC came in handy. > [@Infinite\_Destruction](#): > > The first Recon Fleet will usually be 2 Recon Damaviks (DPS ships) and a Renewing Damavik (remote repair). > > Pop that and within a few minutes another fleet will spawn somewhere in the system. > It will have 2 Recons, 1 Renewing and 1 Starving Damavik (neuter). > Pop that fleet and another will spawn, this time with 2 Recons, 1 Renewing, 1 Starving and 1 Blinding Damavik (sensor damps). > Pop that fleet and the next spawn will be the same as the original 3 ship spawn (and so on and so on). I’ve seen this pattern, but also have seen double 5 ship spawns. I believe this to be random. Additionally, I believe even the normal scouts remote rep each other, though not to the extent of the Renewing (though this also may have been cap xfer - I didn’t observe them that closely). I have seen Renewing, Starving and Blinding, though some have reported there are webbing ones, I have not seen one. I was able to wipe a 5 ship spawn with an AF, (Retribution) but it required some significant overheating and couldn’t handle back to back 5 ship spawns. A Zealot and an Ishtar, both benefited from using the ADC. The easiest though was an Absolution which killed everything without any real challenge. Also drones worked on them, as I never saw them switch targets. Lastly, they don’t seem to have any problem locking ships even at 90K. > [@Infinite\_Destruction](#): > > We’ve been hunting the Recon Fleets to see if they carried anything good. > They don’t. CRAP loot on the rare occasions that they even have loot. Even then it’s the usual low end crap that you get from ordinary belt rats. > Once in a blue moon one may have some of those Triglavian Survey Sheets. I would agree, about once every 3 to 5 ships you get a drop. I got quite a few sheets, but also the normal t1 junk. The best drop I got was 3 triglavian datacores. But in general, you have to salvage them to make any isk. > [@Infinite\_Destruction](#): > > Add “ **Invading Precusor Entities** ” to your Overview (it’s not ticked by default). This is the biggest issue with this implementation, why they couldn’t be added to the game with them checked by default in the overview is beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_Xavis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paul_xavis/32/152086_2.png) [@Paul\_Xavis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paul_Xavis)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/110 "2019-08-18T14:17:06Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > had you used your AB (should reduce missile damage plus create a range issue for their disintegrators), This at staying still in one spot. So yes, proper flying will make incoming DPS smaller. And again noticed that weapon range is really low. Around 20km. Velocity is around 25000 m/s. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/111 "2019-08-18T15:03:20Z")
> [@Veryez](#): > > Good numbers, I was using ~200 dps as a guide. Sub 200 DPS was a challenge. Sitting still they were a challenge for an ishtar, the ADC came in handy. double rep maybe ? > **double rep ishtar** > > ``` > [Ishtar, armor-sama] > Drone Damage Amplifier II > Drone Damage Amplifier II > Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II > Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer > Assault Damage Control II > Medium Armor Repairer II > > Omnidirectional Tracking Link II > Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery > Stasis Webifier II > Stasis Webifier II > > Dual 150mm Railgun II > Dual 150mm Railgun II > Dual 150mm Railgun II > Dual 150mm Railgun II > > Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II > Medium Nanobot Accelerator II > > Hornet II x10 > Hornet EC-300 x5 > Wasp II x7 > > Javelin M x640 > Nanite Repair Paste x32 > > ``` 193 hp/s with ancil hot. replace with T2 rep and you get 122 h/s, with lowest 40% explo res it means at least 321 ehp/s(with ADC passive), capstable, T2 drones (guess ogres wouldbe better), for 400M isk. only a fleet of 5 could be an issue, and that is, if you take too long to kill it. If they really respawn at once, that maybe be a good way to farm them … > [@Veryez](#): > > This is the biggest issue with this implementation, why they couldn’t be added to the game with them checked by default in the overview is beyond me. I made such a suggestion before this was even an issue … > [@Make overview "filter by type" removal instead of adding](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/make-overview-filter-by-type-removal-instead-of-adding/139117): > > I propose to filter types out of the overview when ticked (in the overview settings, the type tab) instead of filtering them in when ticked. Advantages : when new types are added, they all appear in all overview. So you know there is something new, and you can right click it -\> remove from overview. No more issues with new rats appearing in events. When this modification is in place, you also need to invert the bits of selection of each overview to keep the present values for each player. 2nd… ---
**Author:** ![Veryez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veryez/32/508712_2.png) [@Veryez](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veryez)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/112 "2019-08-18T15:28:15Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > double rep maybe ? That would probably be better as I was just using my exploration fit. I was trying to see what could handle them that I had sitting in hanger… They orbit @ 6 to 7 k, so blasters don’t work. Hammerheads tore them up with a single web, so I suspect Ogre’s would be good w/ double webs. I’ll give it a try if I have some time. TY for the idea ---
**Author:** ![Mirriam\_Frostbite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mirriam_frostbite/32/145958_2.png) [@Mirriam\_Frostbite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mirriam_Frostbite)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/113 "2019-08-18T15:29:32Z")
Here are a couple of tanky Venture fits for new or alpha players. These are not the “best” but offered a starting point for you to tweak. EHP affected by skills. [Venture, Venture - Venture SS Tank] Mining Laser Upgrade I Small Shield Extender I Small Shield Extender I Adaptive Invulnerability Field I EP-S Gaussian Scoped Mining Laser EP-S Gaussian Scoped Mining Laser Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Core Defense Field Extender I About 3800 ehp [Venture, Venture - Venture MS Tank] Power Diagnostic System I Medium Shield Extender I Medium Shield Extender I Adaptive Invulnerability Field I EP-S Gaussian Scoped Mining Laser EP-S Gaussian Scoped Mining Laser Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Core Defense Field Extender I About 6500 ehp I left out drones because looking at zkill, I noticed the Recon Damavik often associated with “normal” rats. Maybe fighting the belt rats alert the trigs? Not sure about this though. I’m avoiding all belt engagmentes with NPCs for now. You could also go the “cheap and disposable” route with your Ventures… ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/114 "2019-08-18T15:31:25Z")
And now you all can answer me a question… Is all that you said good or bad for a new player that has no other chance than to follow the tutorial/career agent/soe arnon epic arc trail if he gets popped multiple times during doing that? What is your opinion? In my eyes this only drives noobs to quit after a week…i mean why should they play a game in which they die dozen times before they even had a chance to actually learn how to fly straight? 90% of all noobs are expecting a game to nanny them,10 % maybe could talked into try it for another week but only 1%-2% would stay…regarding to the player loss this is WAY to less for the survival of the game… Only the 2% want a “demanding game”…the rest simply leaves… THIS is todays reality… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/115 "2019-08-18T15:35:13Z")
This looks like a fun way to experiment and learn. I think Ill try out some of the things being suggested here. This thread is +1 Also, thanks to Anderson, I now have realised I had a hole in my defenses that needs sorted out. Figuratively as well as literally. For that I am genuinely grateful. ---
**Author:** ![Veryez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veryez/32/508712_2.png) [@Veryez](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veryez)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/116 "2019-08-18T15:37:03Z")
I would agree, I think this could be bad for newer players, as they are still trying to learn how to fly their ship, never mind getting insta-killed by something that probably isn’t even on their overview. I only hope the recons are forbidden in starter systems - I haven’t checked yet. As long as starter systems are forbidden, I would think it’s ok as I haven’t seen them on gates or at stations. But there definitely should be some in-game info for new players. It SHOULD be on billboards (and in station) instead of the permanent adds… OK I’ll amend this, I checked 2 starter systems and found no recons there. It would appear CCP is protecting the newer players while they learn their mechanics - this I completely support. We need as many new players (to stay) as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/117 "2019-08-18T15:39:34Z")
> [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > 90% of all noobs are expecting a game to nanny them,10 % maybe could talked into try it for another week but only 1%-2% would stay [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/d/a/eda579a265fac5c2cf05eba65a23dfa17d0c4117.jpeg "Nani?? (Original)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxKBHX9Datw) seriously, you are awarded a medal for a completely unsourced and unreliable statistics on which you base your argument. “cogito, ergo est” > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > Is all that you said good or bad for a new player that has no other chance than to follow the tutorial/career agent/soe arnon epic arc trail if he gets popped during that multiple times? > > What is your opinion? Depends. I think that getting popped because he was AFK is a good thing. Being popped because he was using autopilot also. That’s just the kind of things you should never do in Eve, and may as well learn it when you are a noob. IMO there are two things that make no sense : 1. The overview that does work stupidly so that new entities are not shown. I already made a proposal to fix that months ago. 2. The NPE that tells people to use AP. That’s just complete cow manure. Having harder NPCs in Eve is not IMO an issue as long as they don’t point, don’t prevent you from getting in a safe, are by default on overview, and don’t alpha you. New player dying to NPC is definitely not an issue IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Duro\_Peripar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duro_peripar/32/168259_2.png) [@Duro\_Peripar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duro_Peripar)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/118 "2019-08-18T15:42:09Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > seriously, you are awarded a medal for a completely unsourced and unreliable statistics on which you base your argument. > “cogito, ergo est” Simply look at the statistics ccp released…and no i will NOT link it…they are easy to find… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/119 "2019-08-18T15:45:21Z")
if they are easy to find, how comes it’s hard for you to link it ? ---
**Author:** ![Meditril](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meditril/32/378591_2.png) [@Meditril](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meditril)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/120 "2019-08-18T15:46:23Z")
CCP changed it long time ago. Even with zero cap you will warp a short distance. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/121 "2019-08-18T15:54:25Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > “cogito, ergo est” “comedam, ergo sum!” > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > link it ? > **[Skillpoints, Cash & New Players – An Update | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/skillpoints-cash-and-new-players-an-update)** > > Take a look at this devblog for more details on the future of the new starter pack which was released on June 26th! > 4.09% is also a hard number. That’s the percentage of new players that have stuck around in EVE after 30 days during Q1 of 2019. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/122 "2019-08-18T15:57:50Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > 4.09% is also a hard number. That’s the percentage of new players that have stuck around in EVE after 30 days during Q1 of 2019. Vs > [@Duro\_Peripar](#): > > 90% of all noobs are expecting a game to nanny them,10 % maybe could talked into try it for another week but only 1%-2% would stay See why I ask for sources ? “I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself” ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/123 "2019-08-18T16:11:31Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > “I only believe in statistics that I doctored myself” “95% of statistics are made up, 90% of them are made up on the spot.” ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/124 "2019-08-18T16:17:16Z")
Sometimes it’s not about being made. Sometimes it’s just people remember the “grand scheme” and forget the details. And sometimes the context is “details”. Also it’s human nature to keep only the part that goes along your idea [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation\_bias](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias) “one survey that provides data close to what I am saying in a very specific circumstance. That can only mean that I am right” ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352/125 "2019-08-18T16:51:16Z")
> [@Wobbaz](#): > > Wondering if I’m going mad… Yes, you are…but it doesn’t have anything to do with eve… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-ganking/183352.md?page=7)