# Triglavian Invasion; A Good Short-Sighted Idea with Poor Long-Term Consideration **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 19, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379 "2020-08-19T20:11:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Dace\_Cad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dace_cad/32/405721_2.png) [@Dace\_Cad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dace_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/82 "2020-08-20T09:56:21Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You’re welcome to all the opinions you want, but don’t try to pass yourself off as unbiased when you’re anything _but_ . This wasn’t up for debate. As a human I am full of subjective opinions. I simply don’t incorporate them into the Training Program. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Hey @Aiko_Danuja, this guy says he can turn CODE. into a “proper operation.” Maybe you guys should give him a shot? I totally would if I am approached appropriately and not in a disregarding and close-minded tone such as yours. I am always pro-improvement, as long as it has a productive outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Dace\_Cad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dace_cad/32/405721_2.png) [@Dace\_Cad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dace_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/83 "2020-08-20T10:07:27Z")
**But again. somehow this went entirely off topic.** I ask that people read the original text and apply the minimal subtext required, and nearly all questions would be answered therein. This isn’t to have a discussion about High-Sec ganking, whose side you should fight on in the Triglavian Invasion, or if people should HTFU. I am sure there are several topics open on those matters. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/84 "2020-08-20T10:24:02Z")
ITT \<.paraphrase\> I’m not biased, I tell my students that code are bullies. \<./paraphrase\> SMH ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/85 "2020-08-20T10:26:50Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I’m not biased, I tell my students that code are bullies. … stamping the victim sign on their forehead right from the start … gg. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/86 "2020-08-20T10:28:07Z")
I bet he issues them with their own body outline chalk when they graduate too. ---
**Author:** ![Dace\_Cad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dace_cad/32/405721_2.png) [@Dace\_Cad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dace_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/87 "2020-08-20T10:29:07Z")
> [@Dace\_Cad](#): > > **But again. somehow this went entirely off topic.** > > I ask that people read the original text and apply the minimal subtext required, and nearly all questions would be answered therein. > This isn’t to have a discussion about High-Sec ganking, whose side you should fight on in the Triglavian Invasion, or if people should HTFU. I am sure there are several topics open on those matters. 👆 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/88 "2020-08-20T10:33:23Z")
Stop contradicting yourself then. ---
**Author:** ![Dace\_Cad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dace_cad/32/405721_2.png) [@Dace\_Cad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dace_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/89 "2020-08-20T10:40:59Z")
I haven’t. Not once. I can PM you and every other person who misinterprets English, and believes I am contradicting myself, in any of 4 other languages to clarify if that helps. If you, and the others who say I contradict myself, are simply lazy and don’t feel like reading in the first place and instead wish to troll and derail the original topic as you have done so far, then the effort is futile and I won’t grace it with any more effort than referring back to the original topic. On that note: > [@Dace\_Cad](#): > > This post does not serve to push a subjective opinion on “who should you fight for”, rather possibly shed light on an overlooked aspect to something essential in any game in general, and the health of EVE in particular. > > **Closing Points (the above summarized):** > > - The Triglavian Invasion has been great for Seasoned Capsuleer engagement. > - The Triglavian Invasion has been detrimental to the New Capsuleer experience. > - A hostile first experience does not promote as much new-player retention as an experience which rewards effort in a somewhat less chaotic environment than what the Triglavian Invasion is. > - A healthy increase in New Capsuleers (actual new players) will result in a more beneficial situation to CCP and the current player-base than the short-sighted long-term in-game world changing effects of the Triglavian Invasion. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/90 "2020-08-20T10:51:24Z")
> [@Dace\_Cad](#): > > I even pointed out that were they to join CODE. or some other **hypocritical Corp** like theirs who practice it, how to do the entire operation correctly, and **I pointed out how the way they currently operate is as bullies** and not an ever-present source of terror for anyone who “Bot- aspires”. The bolded parts are clear indications of bias; which clearly contradicts the following. > [@Dace\_Cad](#): > > My Training covers EVERYTHING any New Capsuleer should know and wants to know, **without any brainwashing, completely unbiased.** You can’t say that you’re unbiased when you’re in a perceived position of authority and sharing your subjective opinion with those that you’re claiming to be teaching. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/91 "2020-08-20T10:55:09Z")
> [@Dace\_Cad](#): > > **But again. somehow this went entirely off topic.** > > I ask that people read the original text and apply the minimal subtext required, and nearly all questions would be answered therein. > This isn’t to have a discussion about High-Sec ganking, whose side you should fight on in the Triglavian Invasion, or if people should HTFU. I am sure there are several topics open on those matters. Forum trolls will troll. You’ll become acquainted with their portraits, names and horseshit if you keep wasting your time at GD. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/92 "2020-08-20T10:59:39Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > Forum trolls will troll Who the trolls are is a matter of opinion; some seem to be of the opinion that everybody that disagrees with them is a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Kato\_Szafarchek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kato_szafarchek/32/431271_2.png) [@Kato\_Szafarchek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kato_Szafarchek)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/93 "2020-08-20T11:00:10Z")
I agree with the OP that the new capsuleer experience needs to be such to let a player make the educated decision on if EVE is the game for them. Were it not for my blind dumb luck when I was first trying to learn how this game works, I probably would’ve quit out of frustration. My first experience in the game is the archaic tutorial in which I managed to pull a DeeDee and find the self destruct button while pressing random buttons. I then went about essentially fighting the controls of the game and trying to figure out how the hell to go about doing anything. Eventually I figured out how to mine ore and after talking to some random folks, one of them ended up giving me a retriever. I just had to retrieve it from some hisec island and to this day I don’t know how the hell I managed to get the thing out without being shot at. I took an extended hiatus since I couldn’t afford the subscription, eventually came back with some people from a completely different game (planetside 2) and I was taught enough stuff to maintain my interest in the game. Once I was introduced to the wormhole life, that made me decide to stick around for the long haul. The two things that let me play long enough to actually decide if I wanted this game or not? First was being allowed to essentially trip over my own feet without being harassed by other players. The second was then being introduced to a decent corp and learning from them what the game really had in store for me. Do love how one person arguing here is doing so on a character whose last reported kill out of “50k corpses” was in 2014. ---
**Author:** ![Theia\_Matova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theia_matova/32/222289_2.png) [@Theia\_Matova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theia_Matova)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/94 "2020-08-20T11:03:53Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > This person equated players on the opposite side of the NPC-driven content that CCP created to wife-beaters. People like that, and the ones who support them, are quite literally **cancer** for this game. I bet you would love to explain why my type of players are cancer to the game? Am I abusing new players? Do I like to tear our salt of other people? No. Would really love to hear your explanation of this. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/95 "2020-08-20T11:10:14Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Every time you implicitly and explicitly support people like Balos, FYI, I give likes to anybody who opposes your self-righteous viewpoint on how this game should be played. It’s not because I agree with what they’re saying, it’s because I can’t stand your BS lies. You keep talking a big story about how active you are in-game, teaching new players, creating alt characters, blah, blah, blah, yet you’re constantly on these forums posting your BS all over the place. And to top it off you don’t post any viable information that proves you do indeed log into the game, all you do is keep spouting the same old meme’s and then tag a couple of others to back you up. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/96 "2020-08-20T11:19:35Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > FYI, I give likes to anybody who opposes your self-righteous viewpoint on how this game should be played. It’s not because I agree with what they’re saying, it’s because I can’t stand your BS lies. Everytime you like a post by the likes of Darlo you empower and encourage them to make more outrageous posts, regardless of whether or not you agree with them. As for self righteous, you’re in no position to criticise. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/97 "2020-08-20T11:27:09Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > As for self righteous, you’re in no position to criticise. And the same thing goes double for you… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/98 "2020-08-20T11:30:05Z")
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**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/99 "2020-08-20T11:33:01Z")
> [@Dace\_Cad](#): > > I totally would if I am approached appropriately Ok Dace, thanks for your interest in being a senior director and leader of the CODE. alliance. Just contact me in-game and I will get you started on the fast track to success. We look forward to working with you, and hope you can guide us into a new era! ---
**Author:** ![Sucateira](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sucateira/32/307095_2.png) [@Sucateira](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sucateira)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/100 "2020-08-20T11:39:03Z")
If someone is getting repeatedly killed by npcs in a gate. Maybe they should change gate. I don’t know what are you teaching to newbs. Also, this conflict is open to veterans and newbs. And people would learn to play this game much better if they get involved in the conflict instead of doing lvl 1 or lvl 2 missions all day. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/101 "2020-08-20T11:39:24Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I’m not the person trying to portray themself as all sweetness and light, all while being a passive aggressive dick. Enough with your lying BS, I never once portrayed myself as that and the only passive aggressive dick here is you, constantly jumping in off the sidelines whiteknighting for some jerk [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379.md?page=6)