# Triglavian Invasion; A Good Short-Sighted Idea with Poor Long-Term Consideration **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 19, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379 "2020-08-19T20:11:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/123 "2020-08-20T16:25:57Z")
> [@Dono\_Tashu](#): > > Eveyone can play the way they want. This was always the credo. And yet, some are suddenly doing stuff they hate when others are doing them, and find it “right” when they do it 😄. Your question answers itself. People are doing this because they are _motivated_ to do it, because the reward they get from it is perceived as appealing enough for the time and effort they need to invest. Contrast that with the average high-sec mission runner, who _doesn’t_ get any meaningful rewards from their activity. At best, they see their wallet go up bit by bit. The Trig players put in this effort because the change that will come from this excites them. What does the mission-runner get? Just more money that they’ll never actually use for anything meaningful? The satisfaction of knowing that things will always be the same? Working toward a goal and working because your mind and body are used to the routine are two very different things. ---
**Author:** ![Jesoph\_Swolin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesoph_swolin/32/383423_2.png) [@Jesoph\_Swolin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesoph_Swolin)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/124 "2020-08-20T16:38:13Z")
> [@Dace\_Cad](#): > > When the one area within the world which gave the little leeway for a New Capsuleer to get acquainted with the mechanics on their own terms is negligently taken away piece by piece and with no way to predict, yes, it factually crosses the final line where any actually New Player might consider giving their new game any chance. I agree. Factional Warfare systems should have been whitelisted so that new players could explore the joys of solo, nanogang and fleet content in their own wholesome way. Did you know we actually had to send half a dozen guys to shoo those NPCs out of Frerstorn and Ontorn? We almost had PVE in our warzone ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Slayde\_Wilzon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/slayde_wilzon/32/217606_2.png) [@Slayde\_Wilzon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Slayde_Wilzon)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/125 "2020-08-20T16:47:23Z")
I will say maybe not trig invading the newb starter systems might be a good idea. But these guys need to learn fast if they want to survive New Eden. Space is a cold and unforgiving mistress, her capsuleers even less so. You also missed an opportunity to teach them about maybe not piling all their corporate assets in one basket, or how to help retreat from a conquered system. Also they should learn that NPC’s can pull gate camps just as good if not better than some capsuleers (mainly because they dont get distracted by anime or netflix) But eve does allow you every opportunity to rise from the ashes, if you’ve got the guts. You either learn or you die. The risk just makes the rewards that much sweeter. Besides, I love the smell of burning Edencom corpses in the morning, it’s better than folgers. Tell em when you first see them and try to recruit them what kind of game EvE truly is… “A Universe of pain and Opportunity, if you’ve got the guts to pull the trigger”. I think I may have just gone on a villains rant. Meh ---
**Author:** ![Dace\_Cad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dace_cad/32/405721_2.png) [@Dace\_Cad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dace_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/126 "2020-08-20T17:00:08Z")
> [@Slayde\_Wilzon](#): > > But these guys need to learn fast if they want to survive New Eden. It is in the name of the Corp. > [@Slayde\_Wilzon](#): > > You also missed an opportunity to teach them about maybe not piling all their corporate assets in one basket, or how to help retreat from a conquered system. I would have if they had logged on since. > [@Slayde\_Wilzon](#): > > Also they should learn that NPC’s can pull gate camps just as good if not better than some capsuleers (mainly because they dont get distracted by anime or netflix) That Lesson was already covered. > [@Slayde\_Wilzon](#): > > The risk just makes the rewards that much sweeter. That Lesson was already covered. > [@Slayde\_Wilzon](#): > > Tell em when you first see them and try to recruit them what kind of game EvE truly is… “A Universe of pain and Opportunity, if you’ve got the guts to pull the trigger” This is part of the recruitment process. I don’t look forward to training Capsuleers who haven’t taken this into consideration and are likely to drop it anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Laika\_Kalishaka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laika_kalishaka/32/221348_2.png) [@Laika\_Kalishaka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laika_Kalishaka)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/127 "2020-08-20T19:18:37Z")
“These “numbers” @Laika_Kalishaka refers to change constantly and as mentioned in the original text above are not clear since just as you claim to be a new player, it is hard to believe you suddenly heard of some random game and decided to choose a side without ever playing it. Most likely (another) Alt, but I refuse to jump to conclusions.” I"m glad you didn’t jump to conclusion. I joined the game because I became extremely close with a new friend of mine who mentioned the trig invasion and how it would be implemented very shortly. The Prospect of such a huge shift in game dynamics and also being a fan of trig aesthetic and my friends description of how trig’s operate is what drew me in. I’ll read the rest of the thread now but I wanted to address this first. I’ll edit any other further replies later. For the record I do have an alt…that I created after this accoutn to help me mine in trig systems. ---
**Author:** ![Dace\_Cad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dace_cad/32/405721_2.png) [@Dace\_Cad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dace_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/128 "2020-08-20T19:48:47Z")
> [@Laika\_Kalishaka](#): > > I joined the game because I became extremely close with a new friend of mine who mentioned the trig invasion and how it would be implemented very shortly. The Prospect of such a huge shift in game dynamics and also being a fan of trig aesthetic and my friends description of how trig’s operate is what drew me in. Nice. Welcome to New Eden, now prepare for Combat Probing of your safe-spot. ---
**Author:** ![Laika\_Kalishaka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/laika_kalishaka/32/221348_2.png) [@Laika\_Kalishaka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Laika_Kalishaka)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/129 "2020-08-20T20:12:22Z")
I took part in ravaross and Sendo. I’ve had amazing time so far. I did have one unfortunate incident where I lose a few ventures to the roaming trigs of ch2. that threw me off a bit btw now that I read the thread I’m not oppose dto waht your saying. it seems a nice compromise here would be: 1. to make sure new capsuleer space is al itle less threatened by end game pve content and 2. improve EVE UI explanation and hopefully someday the tutorial. in return don’t underestimate the appeal of a major shift in game environment potentially attracting new players, but it’s clear you do understand that to some capability so I won’t write 5 paragraphs on it. Seeya out there in space ;3 ---
**Author:** ![Dace\_Cad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dace_cad/32/405721_2.png) [@Dace\_Cad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dace_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/130 "2020-08-20T20:14:08Z")
👆 👍 I took 24 hours, but we found someone who can read English! ---
**Author:** ![Dace\_Cad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dace_cad/32/405721_2.png) [@Dace\_Cad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dace_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/131 "2020-08-20T20:15:17Z")
> [@Laika\_Kalishaka](#): > > I took part in ravaross and Sendo. I’ve had amazing time so far. I am glad to hear dude. Keep it up. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/132 "2020-08-20T20:17:57Z")
> [@Dace\_Cad](#): > > 👆 👍 > I took 24 hours, but we found someone who can read English! Just because some people disagree with you, doesn’t mean they don’t understand what you’re trying to say, or that their points are not valid. You’re not infallible; there’s really no need to make a comment like _that_. If anything, it actually _weakens_ your stance. ---
**Author:** ![Tanis\_Phage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tanis_phage/32/222492_2.png) [@Tanis\_Phage](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tanis_Phage)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/133 "2020-08-20T20:25:54Z")
> [@Dono\_Tashu](#): > > Who is “we”? 😉 > Lets take a look at this 15 low sec system. > 10 of these are Caldari. I could bet, no one was there, “We” are Stribog Clade in my case, as well as the larger TTI community, and you owe me some money. > [@Dono\_Tashu](#): > > But this is my guess, based on the info i see. > I have not been at any of the Low Sec fights. So you admit you’re full of ■■■■ and have _literally_ no clue what you’re talking about. Got it. > [@Dono\_Tashu](#): > > Maybe you are already also beyond the “have fun” part The most fun comes from these forum whine posts from people who have no idea what’s actually going on. We’re having a great time. > [@Dono\_Tashu](#): > > They forced the pro Triglavian players into doing the stuff they accuse others. > The boring and endless killing of NPCs in high sec systems, over and over again, for nearly no ISK (the same as mission runners 😄). Again, you have literally no clue what you’re talking about. I make 200-300m a day doing this. Not the best ISK/hr but thats not why I play, and it’s certainly more than “No ISK” > [@Dono\_Tashu](#): > > Why are player helping the Triglavian? For what reason? Personally I just want to have the standing neccesary to enter Jove space when it opens 😉 But really for me it’s In-Character RolePlay. Trigs=Jove returning to save us. EdenCOM=Sansha controlled plot. The whole reason the Jove are back is to stop Sansha messing with the stuff they left behind, as six years ago it was reported that Sansha vessels were spotted on the other side of a wormhole that appeared to lead to Jove space. I don’t really give a ■■■■ about high sec or low sec, it’s all the same to me because I’m not a carebear, but if it makes you feel better I do believe Trig systems will go back to normal once they use the stars energy to reopen Jove space. ---
**Author:** ![Dace\_Cad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dace_cad/32/405721_2.png) [@Dace\_Cad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dace_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/134 "2020-08-20T20:28:55Z")
> [@Tanis\_Phage](#): > > > [@Dono\_Tashu](#): > > > > Who is “we”? 😉 > > > > > Lets take a look at this 15 low sec system. > > > 10 of these are Caldari. I could bet, no one was there, > > “We” are Stribog Clade in my case, as well as the larger TTI community, and you owe me some money. priceless ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Buldath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_buldath/32/381437_2.png) [@ISD\_Buldath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Buldath)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2020, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/139 "2020-08-20T23:45:24Z")
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**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/140 "2020-08-21T02:12:20Z")
> [@Dono\_Tashu](#): > > Why are player helping the Triglavian? For what reason? Why not? They have cool costumes. > [@Dono\_Tashu](#): > > And why? To piss up high sec players, to force them into low sec, to lower the space these “high sec” players have or for whatever other reason they might have. I think it’s funny that you think anyone is really giving that much consideration to the feelings of highsec players. > [@Dono\_Tashu](#): > > And what are you doing for this? Going into high sec, and killing endless NPCs in spawned sites for over 3 month now. > > I cannot help myself, but i find this funny. > Eveyone can play the way they want. This was always the credo. And yet, some are suddenly doing stuff they hate when others are doing them, and find it “right” when they do it 😄. Again, this whole line of thinking is stupid, and divorced from reality. Nullsec _industrializes_ PvE. The mom’n’pop PvE that takes place in high sec is… quaint, by comparison. Your assertion that people are “doing stuff they hate” by shooting NPCs is just a (particularly stupid) notion you’ve invented. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/141 "2020-08-21T08:11:15Z")
> [@Tanis\_Phage](#): > > Personally I just want to have the standing neccesary to enter Jove space when it opens Assuming it will be so… what the hell are you talking about. Jove systems are complete desert. What do you want to do there? You have enough of space already everywhere. > [@Tanis\_Phage](#): > > Trigs=Jove returning to save us. > EdenCOM=Sansha controlled plot. Trigs are trigs. I dont think you know what Jove even are or history of them. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/8/484c6e9fe964573d257395ed621d2f503654c9d4.jpeg) Sansha is not EDENCOM. Sansha is more connected to Jove technically than your trigs. They were even spotted in Jove space. ---
**Author:** ![Tanis\_Phage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tanis_phage/32/222492_2.png) [@Tanis\_Phage](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tanis_Phage)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/142 "2020-08-21T08:47:05Z")
I wasn’t going to bother replying to you, as you clearly missed the _“in-character”_ part of that theory, but then you edited in some fan made graphic full of question marks as your “proof”. Then you edited again, to try and tell me something _I already said_, > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > They were even spotted in Jove space. > [@Tanis\_Phage](#): > > The whole reason the Jove are back is to stop Sansha messing with the stuff they left behind, as six years ago it was reported that Sansha vessels were spotted on the other side of a wormhole that appeared to lead to Jove space. This is literally an in-character conspiracy theory I’ve worked up, the likelihood of them opening Jove space and UUA-F4 are quite low, sorry my RP seems to offend you enough to further derail this thread. 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/143 "2020-08-21T08:55:13Z")
> [@Tanis\_Phage](#): > > sorry my RP seems to offend you enough to further derail this thread No it doesnt, I only see you dont have much base for your theories. The question marks are not much important in this graphic tho. Cant see anything connecting Trigs to Jove. Trigs seem to be just another faction with not much lore behind them this time, as CCP isnt much worrying about it at that point. Also the thing I understood from the cryptic messaging of trigs is they have something against the Drifters and they fought them. Drifters do have Jove roots but the rest of Jove is dead. Trigs may be just the faction thats there to fill the hole after one of the factions. Their origins are very similar to origin of slavs in history of europe. There were many theories, but it looks like one century they just migrate and go to big swaths of land in all directions from some forest-steppe environment east of Poland. ---
**Author:** ![Dace\_Cad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dace_cad/32/405721_2.png) [@Dace\_Cad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dace_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/144 "2020-08-21T11:09:44Z")
> [@Dace\_Cad](#): > > This post does not serve to push a subjective opinion on “who should you fight for”, rather possibly shed light on an overlooked aspect to something essential in any game in general, and the health of EVE in particular. > > **Closing Points (the above summarized):** > > - The Triglavian Invasion has been great for Seasoned Capsuleer engagement. > - The Triglavian Invasion has been detrimental to the New Capsuleer experience. > - A hostile first experience does not promote as much new-player retention as an experience which rewards effort in a somewhat less chaotic environment than what the Triglavian Invasion is. > - A healthy increase in New Capsuleers (actual new players) will result in a more beneficial situation to CCP and the current player-base than the short-sighted long-term in-game world changing effects of the Triglavian Invasion. 👆 Just reminding us of the original post. ---
**Author:** ![Serene\_Repose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/serene_repose/32/384960_2.png) [@Serene\_Repose](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Serene_Repose)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/145 "2020-08-21T11:16:36Z")
Saying it’s a smart idea is reaching. Any idea intending to provoke behavior, especially when designed by people who aren’t really authorities in behavior, is by definition a road map leading into a bog. ---
**Author:** ![Dace\_Cad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dace_cad/32/405721_2.png) [@Dace\_Cad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dace_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379/146 "2020-08-21T21:08:20Z")
> [@Serene\_Repose](#): > > Saying it’s a smart idea is reaching. Any idea… It isn’t very clear what you are commenting about. If you are referring to the title of this Topic “ **…A Good Short-Sighted Idea…** ”, I recommend you read past the title. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-invasion-a-good-short-sighted-idea-with-poor-long-term-consideration/261379.md?page=8)