# Triglavian mining vessel/ New alpha ship and mining bs **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 6, 2019, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539 "2019-11-06T10:50:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2019, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/21 "2019-11-06T23:56:32Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > Surely you have something more than “Im an alpha and want to multibox alpha accounts and bot-mine more efficiently”. Excuse me but enough already, jeez you people just won’t quit with all the bot hype. Most bot-mining accounts are Omega anyway. Also I thought Alpha accounts couldn’t be multiboxed. If you have proof that’s being done then you should definitely inform CCP about it. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/22 "2019-11-07T00:06:07Z")
While I like the general premise of your idea, I don’t think the game should have more options available to stay Alpha. The game needs to have more incentive for players to sub Omega. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Gideon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_gideon/32/141713_2.png) [@Marcus\_Gideon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Gideon)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/23 "2019-11-07T00:21:29Z")
Agreed. There are too many concessions already given to Alphas. If they keep giving more and more, Alphas will never be inspired to start paying for the game. They’ll just keep being ~~beggers~~ Alphas. Also, I think there are too many Mining things already. - Venture is the mining Frigate. - Porpoise is the small scale mining booster. - Barges are the mining Cruisers - Orca is the large scale mining booster. - Exhumers are the mining BS - But… WHY IS THERE A MINING CAPITAL??? These days, the Rorq has completely forgotten it’s purpose since you can compress with a Citadel. And the Orca is a large scale Fleet Booster. Personally, I’d retire the Rorqs. I’d scrap the Excavators, and I’d force large scale mining operations to rely on Orcas and Exhumers. A single pilot shouldn’t be clear cutting belts in a Rorq. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/24 "2019-11-07T00:24:40Z")
Kinda pointless for alphas to wish for better mining vessels as well, because all they will achieve is greater quantities of (ore) minerals mined meaning the mineral prices will drop due to increased supply but no additional demand, thus they will not just not gain more ISK but probably will gain less in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 1:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/25 "2019-11-07T01:10:31Z")
> [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > These days, the Rorq is nigh useless lolwut ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/26 "2019-11-07T01:25:17Z")
> [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > But… WHY IS THERE A MINING CAPITAL??? More people who don’t know what they’re talking about when it can be easily found with a quick Google search. > **[Mining Foreman Revolution | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/mining-foreman-revolution)** > > Hello prolific capsuleers! The EVE Online team is continuing to work hard on the upcoming November expansion, and today we’re ready to share another dev blog with all of you! This is the second dev blog in our series on “Command Bursts”, the new and... ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Gideon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_gideon/32/141713_2.png) [@Marcus\_Gideon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Gideon)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/27 "2019-11-07T01:25:37Z")
If you read the rest, you’d know what I mean. It started out as a Capital class Booster and Compressor. They didn’t have mining lasers or mining drones, their only job was to provide overwatch and squish stuff so the Haulers could fit more per trip. Then we gave them 5 little pet Hulks they can deploy at will. They can strip a field faster than a whole group of noobs. They turned into the AFK ISK production vessel of choice, at least as long as nobody says the word “Blackout!” They aren’t boosting anyone but themselves anymore. They aren’t compressing anything since you can do it easier in a Citadel. All they’re doing is mining up huge swaths at a time. Why not just retire them, and make people group up again. If you want to chew through belt after belt, do it with a fleet of Hulks, not a single Rorq. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/28 "2019-11-07T01:27:45Z")
> [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > All they’re doing is mining up huge swaths at a time. Why not just retire them, and make people group up again. If you want to chew through belt after belt, do it with a fleet of Hulks, not a single Rorq Because I would rather relax and mine in one Rorqual than have to deal with 20+ accounts and keep alt tabbing between them as their ore holds fill up. Yet even more nonsense from someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Gideon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_gideon/32/141713_2.png) [@Marcus\_Gideon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Gideon)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/29 "2019-11-07T01:40:17Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Because I would rather relax and mine in one Rorqual than have to deal with 20+ accounts and keep alt tabbing between them as their ore holds fill up. Ah, so you see the root of the issue. Who the ■■■■ said you get to do this all by yourself? If you’re flying a Capital, you’re living in dangerous space. Maybe you shouldn’t be sitting out there by yourself. Maybe you should have a fleet of friends to play this Massively Multiplayer game with. It’s not supposed to be a Massively Singleplayer while you circle jerk 20 alts. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/30 "2019-11-07T01:41:39Z")
> [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > If you’re flying a Capital, you’re living in dangerous space. Maybe you shouldn’t be sitting out there by yourself. Maybe you should have a fleet of friends to play this Massively Multiplayer game with. It’s not supposed to be a Massively Singleplayer while you circle jerk 20 alts. Lmao, imagine being this much of a pretentious tit that you think you can tell other people how they’re supposed to play a video game. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/31 "2019-11-07T01:44:20Z")
🤔 Strange you’d say that since you seem to constantly do that in almost every single thread you post in. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Gideon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_gideon/32/141713_2.png) [@Marcus\_Gideon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Gideon)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/32 "2019-11-07T01:47:14Z")
What else are these forums for? Other than voicing your opinion about how things are, or could be. I think it’s ridiculous how the devs have made Alts such an acceptable practice. You’d never see multiboxing in other MMOs the same way it’s done as common practice around here. And even if multiboxing is allowed and accepted, why is one of the easiest and most profitable activities in the game solo’able and AFK’able? Why shouldn’t it require a fleet of Hulks to accomplish what a single Rorq can do while the player is probably asleep? ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 1:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/33 "2019-11-07T01:49:59Z")
> [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > I think it’s ridiculous how the devs have made Alts such an acceptable practice. You’d never see multiboxing in other MMOs the same way it’s done as common practice around here. Yeah, and I think it’s a good thing. Instead of whining and crying like you are, why don’t you embrace it? > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > why is one of the easiest and most profitable activities in the game solo’able and AFK’able? Risk vs Reward, kiddo. You’re setting several billions of ISK worth of assets on a field locked in place for several minutes vulnerable to attack. It better be worth. > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > Why shouldn’t it require a fleet of Hulks to accomplish what a single Rorq can do while the player is probably asleep? Why should it require a fleet of Hulks? Please explain that first. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Gideon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_gideon/32/141713_2.png) [@Marcus\_Gideon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Gideon)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/34 "2019-11-07T01:54:34Z")
By “embrace it” you mean throw handfuls of money at CCP to sub extra accts, and Inject the hell outta them so they can actually do something comparable to my main. “Embrace” feeding the corporate greed machine? =) I already explained why it should require a fleet of Hulks. It’s an MMO, not an MSO. Massively multiplayer, not single player. A single pilot can run a single L4 mission and make X amount of money. But a fleet of ships can go run Incursions or Invasions and rake in TONS more in less time. So get rid of the single Rorq pilot since Rorqs no longer do [anything they were intended for](https://www.eveonline.com/article/mining-foreman-revolution), and bring in a fleet of ships instead. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/35 "2019-11-07T01:57:39Z")
> [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > “Embrace” feeding the corporate greed machine? =) You’re free to stop playing the game whenever you want, dear. > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > It’s an MMO, not an MSO. Tell me where it says in this golden rule book of MMOs that people aren’t allowed to multibox. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/36 "2019-11-07T01:57:51Z")
I agree, back when I started playing in 2008 there use to be fleets of Hulks mining in Asteroid Belts, was a great light show, very impressive and definitely a site to behold. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/37 "2019-11-07T02:05:14Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > there use to be fleets of Hulks mining in Asteroid Belts Good news is that you can still do this! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Gideon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_gideon/32/141713_2.png) [@Marcus\_Gideon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Gideon)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/38 "2019-11-07T02:09:15Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Tell me where it says in this golden rule book of MMOs that people aren’t allowed to multibox If you’re going to keep participating, you should pay attention to what’s already been said. And maybe try not to contradict yourself so quickly. You were the one who said you’d rather keep cheating the system with a single Rorq rather than having to bring 20 alts. If you’re now ready to support the idea for multiboxing instead of solo’ing your way to riches, then my work here is done. Multibox, or don’t. Bring friends instead. But I think it’s ridiculous that we stopped using the Rorq as a Foreman craft, and turned it into the epitome of mining vessels instead. Why fly a Hulk, why fly 20 Hulks, when you can fly a single Rorq instead. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/39 "2019-11-07T02:14:09Z")
> [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > You were the one who said you’d rather keep cheating the system There it is again. This weird thought that Rorquals are “cheating” somehow. You still don’t understand, do you? Not surprising though. CCP wants Rorquals to be the single most powerful mining ship in the game. With that, comes a fairly high barrier to entry, including ISK/Asset/SP investments. You’re free to whine and cry all you want, but that’s the goal of CCP. > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > Multibox, or don’t. Bring friends instead. How about I multibox AND bring friends? 🤔 > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > But I think it’s ridiculous that we stopped using the Rorq as a Foreman craft, and turned it into the epitome of mining vessels instead. Why fly a Hulk, why fly 20 Hulks, when you can fly a single Rorq instead. Yet again, this has already been answered. If you ask this question one more time, I’m going to assume you’re intentionally being a moron. Here’s the link again that explains why. > **[Mining Foreman Revolution | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/mining-foreman-revolution)** > > Hello prolific capsuleers! The EVE Online team is continuing to work hard on the upcoming November expansion, and today we’re ready to share another dev blog with all of you! This is the second dev blog in our series on “Command Bursts”, the new and... ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Gideon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_gideon/32/141713_2.png) [@Marcus\_Gideon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Gideon)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2019, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539/40 "2019-11-07T02:21:23Z")
You seem to be missing the point, too busy calling names. I don’t think they should have given up and said “The Rorqual was supposed to be a kick ass Foreman, but now we’re going to make it the best Miner too”. I’m saying they should have retired the Rorqual and left the mining to the miners. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/triglavian-mining-vessel-new-alpha-ship-and-mining-bs/199539.md?page=3)