# Trying to fit a Rattlesnake for L4 **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [August 10, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trying-to-fit-a-rattlesnake-for-l4/15948 "2017-08-10T19:55:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kale\_thus\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kale_thus_sotken/32/40760_2.png) [@Kale\_thus\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kale_thus_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trying-to-fit-a-rattlesnake-for-l4/15948/61 "2017-12-05T01:19:57Z")
Thank you soo much, Ill fly out tonight and see how it goes, Last thing is implants when I get more bling, Also skill training plan, Navigation\>targeting\>BS command \>missiles \>social? ---
**Author:** ![Erethond](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erethond/32/11049_2.png) [@Erethond](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erethond)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trying-to-fit-a-rattlesnake-for-l4/15948/62 "2017-12-05T01:31:55Z")
Good luck! I don’t know about implants, I just use a set of skill training ones. It all depends on what you have now. BS to 4 is pretty important given the bonuses it gives. It’s hard to get more than a 10% damage bonus. Generally I order things by skill levels or training time. Or what part of doing what I am currently doing is the most annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chainsaw_plankton/32/256180_2.png) [@Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chainsaw_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 5:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trying-to-fit-a-rattlesnake-for-l4/15948/63 "2017-12-05T05:06:22Z")
> [@Kale\_thus\_Sotken](#): > > Im running 5x hobo, 5 x warrior, 2 x bouncer, 2 x guard. I run 2 garde, 2 mission specific sentry drones, 1 gecko, 5 lights. with the two omnis and tracking scripts the gecko can manage with pretty much any frig. If you don’t want to buy geckos heavy drones are probably fine. NPC frigs orbit at about the same speed a heavy drone does, so the end result is the drone follows the frig with low transversal and the heavy can typically hit it, just might need to wait for the drone to turn it’s MWD off. > [@Erethond](#): > > Yeah, that’s pretty far from a brawling fit. Definitely lighter on the tank side than I would expect would be needed. it’s the fit I run (heck I just use invluns) and it’s fine with experience. The ship can do so much dps that it largely can run on just buffer tank, but the pithum c-type is perfect for topping off any damage you do take. Sounds like OP doesn’t have the experience to prioritize targets or manage triggers. > [@Erethond](#): > > Gardes are weird sentries… I mostly use them on a stratios to run event sites and such, when the enemies start at close range and stay there. For missions, at close range they’ll likely have troubles hitting small ships and they don’t hit anything at long range, so I don’t like them (unless I need to run L3s to get standings for a new corp after moving). Most rats that are vulnerable to thermal also are vulnerable to something else (usually kinetic), so I use other sentries instead. gardes will hit pretty much anything in orbit destroyer and up, and pretty much any sentry can snipe frigs on approach. and if some npc frigs get into their orbit range a gecko or flight of lights should be able to deal with them. ---
**Author:** ![Kale\_thus\_Sotken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kale_thus_sotken/32/40760_2.png) [@Kale\_thus\_Sotken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kale_thus_Sotken)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trying-to-fit-a-rattlesnake-for-l4/15948/64 "2017-12-05T06:39:37Z")
Yeah I copied your fit, im putting down to ok skills trained and not enough experience. I’m slowly learning from eve survival guides on what to kill etc ---
**Author:** ![Praetor\_Serpe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/praetor_serpe/32/247395_2.png) [@Praetor\_Serpe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Praetor_Serpe)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2017, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trying-to-fit-a-rattlesnake-for-l4/15948/65 "2017-12-27T11:06:26Z")
Great topic, full of good advice. I’m planning to restart running L4 with a Rattlesnake fitted (a long time ago) like this: [Rattlesnake, Fit] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 100MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Pithum C-Type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier ‘Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile ’Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile ’Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile ’Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile ’Arbalest’ Cruise Launcher I, Scourge Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II Caldari Navy Wasp x2 Caldari Navy Warden x2 Hornet II x5 As you can see I’m cannot use T2 Cruise/Heavy drones/Sentry drones, so I was thinking about a RHML fit (I can use T2 Heavy missiles). Any advice for a RHML fit? Can I use my Cruise fit and change only the launchers and maybe the MGC script to range? ---
**Author:** ![Shaklton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shaklton/32/310256_2.png) [@Shaklton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shaklton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trying-to-fit-a-rattlesnake-for-l4/15948/66 "2017-12-28T20:50:02Z")
Here’s what I’m running at the moment. Naturally, I exchange drones and damage specific hardeners based on the mission. I swap between Kinetic and Thermal missiles based on the mission so as to take advantage of the Rattlers bonuses. I use T1 rigs not because I’m poor, but because why spend an extra 250M when my tank works fine even when I aggro the whole room? I can push out nearly 1500dps with excellent damage application with this setup with crap-tier implants. I average 7m a tick. [Rattlesnake, Dichotomy] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Target Painter II 500MN Microwarpdrive II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Infiltrator II x5 Praetor II x2 Acolyte II x5 Curator II x2 Inferno Fury Cruise Missile x5016 Tracking Speed Script x2 ---
**Author:** ![Kitty\_Bear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kitty_bear/32/13275_2.png) [@Kitty\_Bear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kitty_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trying-to-fit-a-rattlesnake-for-l4/15948/67 "2017-12-29T00:54:47Z")
> [@Praetor\_Serpe](#): > > Any advice for a RHML fit? > > Can I use my Cruise fit and change only the launchers and maybe the MGC script to range? I don’t really see anything drastically wrong with the fit, either with cruises or for rapid heavies. With RHML’s i’d suggest using Heavy Drones though. With the shorter range of the HM speed tanking plays an important part in survivability as you have to let things get closer to you. Sentries work against you here as there static placement severely limits your mobility options. Scripts take up next to no space in your inv … so take 1 of each & swap if you need to. ---
**Author:** ![Praetor\_Serpe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/praetor_serpe/32/247395_2.png) [@Praetor\_Serpe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Praetor_Serpe)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2017, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trying-to-fit-a-rattlesnake-for-l4/15948/68 "2017-12-29T08:55:02Z")
> [@Kitty\_Bear](#): > > With the shorter range of the HM speed tanking plays an important part in survivability as you have to let things get closer to you Thank you for your advice, I’ll use Heavy Drone in that case. Spped tanking is what I’m concerned, i was used to fly that RS as a sniping platform with sentries (that fit was a pre-MJD long range fit) and I’m not sure the tank will be enough. ---
**Author:** ![Sonoros\_Rahl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sonoros_rahl/32/470873_2.png) [@Sonoros\_Rahl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sonoros_Rahl)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trying-to-fit-a-rattlesnake-for-l4/15948/69 "2018-03-01T17:07:42Z")
I run a completely passive shield regen fit - lvl 4’s are easy as the regen more than copes with the incoming damage ---
**Author:** ![Sharise\_Dragonstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sharise_dragonstar/32/426306_2.png) [@Sharise\_Dragonstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sharise_Dragonstar)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trying-to-fit-a-rattlesnake-for-l4/15948/70 "2018-03-02T11:31:50Z")
I just warp into any level 4 mission and kill everything without moving with this fit. Use to use it for sansha sites in provi hence the two rigs but it breezes through level 4’s 5x cruise missile II 1x Drone Link Augmentor II 1x Pithum C Medium Shield Booster 1x (Mission specific) Resist Amplifier II 2x (Mission specific) Resist Hardener II 2x Shield Boost Amplifier II 1x Gist B 500mn MWD 3x Ballistic Control System II 3x Drone Damage Amplifier II 1x Large Anti EM Screen Reinforcer II 1x Large Anti Thermal Screen Reinforcer II 1x Large Capacitor Control I 5x Light 3x Medium 3x Sentry Even using standard cruise missiles still over 1000dps (1196) and over 85khp Buy price is 745m ISK which is not too bad. If you want you can put t2 ammo and get 1416dps Adding in faction DPS mods increase it further too 1507 but that costs you an extra 600m isk. If you want to go silly dps use RHML II but that decreases your range and chews through lots of ammo. ---
**Author:** ![Ramizod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramizod/32/61585_2.png) [@Ramizod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramizod)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trying-to-fit-a-rattlesnake-for-l4/15948/71 "2018-03-20T20:02:29Z")
My Lvl 4 Rattlesnake build Lows: Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Mids: Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster DG Boost Amp Rat Specific Hardener Rat Specific Hardener Federation Navy Omni Tracking Link Republic Fleet 100mn AB Heavy Cap Booster 2 (800) Highs: Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher 2: Inferno Fury Heavy Missiles Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher 2: Inferno Fury Heavy Missiles Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher 2: Inferno Fury Heavy Missiles Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher 2: Inferno Fury Heavy Missiles Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher 2: Inferno Fury Heavy Missiles Black Eagle Drone Link Aug Rigs: Warhead Rigor Catalyst 2 Drone Speed Aug 2 Drone Speed Aug 2 2 Ogre 2’s Over 1700 (1748) dps, I almost never have to use the cap booster, it is just there if you get in trouble. Also change out drones and missile types for the specific rats. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trying-to-fit-a-rattlesnake-for-l4/15948/72 "2018-03-21T19:59:48Z")
There are a lot of things I don’t like with this fit. For starters, it’s literally a gank magnet with close to a billion ISK in faction drone and ballistic modules alone. Next, there is no missile speed augmentation - so in addition to severely capping range you’re easily losing 20% or more of stated damge (this is also before the reload penalty). You’re running a pair of heavy drones at extreme ranges - so if they get webbed there’s a good chance of losing one or both. And an afterburner isn’t going to help you close range fast enough to save them since you have limited missile range. A sentry/cruise fit Rattlesnake may have less DPS on paper but will run circles around this particular setup. There’s an optimal way to utilize RHMLs; this setup isn’t it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trying-to-fit-a-rattlesnake-for-l4/15948.md?page=3)