# TTT Drama **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 15, 2023, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325 "2023-06-15T04:46:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/388 "2023-06-23T10:16:26Z")
I don’t know about that as if the material is in nulsec what would the cost be to ship it to market? I don’t know 80% zero loss of time? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/389 "2023-06-23T11:41:05Z")
You can safely assume that from all the people shooting at the TTT roughly 90% are ‘noobs’ when it comes to fully understanding the majority of all PvP mechanics. Especially those who made any kind of effort (like quickly changing Corp or even creating a new corp or a new alt and joining somewhere) just to fire two meaningless shots at the tower to appear on a killmail. Even more those who created tickets afterwards because their absolute meaningless participation is not properly reflected in a 200b killmail on their meanlingless zKill record. ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/390 "2023-06-23T11:42:15Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/5/1/f510e384282dc6d2f9864430e2f7fb235592fb53.png) Almost an hour between whore and pop. Im pretty sure that anyone who touched the hull was listed. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Offensive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dr_offensive/32/401971_2.png) [@Dr\_Offensive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dr_Offensive)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/391 "2023-06-23T14:48:41Z")
Yeah its events like this that make a mockery of the stats in zkill. Your new effectiveness rating is 99.9% after your recent 216BN kill. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/392 "2023-06-23T15:01:22Z")
Buyback is usually twice that regardless of location ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/393 "2023-06-23T16:06:36Z")
Zkill is nubbish. Think about it… 300 F1 monkeys get full credit, 301 killmails generated for every single nub frigate that jumps into the gate camp. so 1 loss and 300 wins. Thats dumb. Idk how to fix it and i wish zkill didnt exist. But thats not something the majority would agree with. Quality \> Quantity. Maybe give a score for each ship, balanced against what you used to kill it. Then split the credit by 1/300 in this case. Isk value isnt the answer either because being poor isnt a virtue and risk should equal reward. If you want to fight an isk war with me, then you already lost. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/394 "2023-06-23T16:47:34Z")
> [@Distaine](#): > > Zkill is nubbish. Think about it… 300 F1 monkeys get full credit, 301 killmails generated for every single nub frigate that jumps into the gate camp. so 1 loss and 300 wins. Thats dumb. 1 kill generates just 1 killmail. It just shows up for all the players that are involved in the kill according to the game. > [@Distaine](#): > > Quality \> Quantity. Maybe give a score for each ship, balanced against what you used to kill it. I do not really care about the ‘value of kill mails’. Kill mails are nice intel, and a way to keep track of combat history for me. Some people seem to think that kill mails are worth something, and that some kills are worth more than others. Rest assured, the person who created zkillboard took that into account and added the concept of ‘points’ that are awarded for your kill mails. If you and a bunch of others kill a cruiser, you each get 1 point. If you manage to kill that same cruiser solo in a frigate, you get a few dozen points instead. Your character for example has a total of 1 point for the keepstar kill, and a total of 21 points lost, one for each of the cyno Ventures you lost when moving your JF into Tama. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/395 "2023-06-23T17:46:59Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > You have to shoot it within the 15 minutes before it died I believe. A lot of people hit it way too early . But with 10% tidi…shouldn’t that equate to two and a half hours ? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/396 "2023-06-23T17:54:22Z")
> [@Distaine](#): > > Zkill is nubbish. Think about it… 300 F1 monkeys get full credit, 301 killmails generated for every single nub frigate that jumps into the gate camp. so 1 loss and 300 wins. Thats dumb. But it works equally fairly ( or unfairly ) across the board. And those who just jumped in without a wardec ( as hundreds did…the local log was full of people being Concorded ) will have a ‘loss’ record of 1 that counterbalances that kill of 1. I do agree that the ISK amount ‘killed’ is absurd though, as many got 215bn even if they fired just one shot. It ought to be pro rata of the percent of DPS for the kill. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/397 "2023-06-23T18:48:05Z")
zKill is great. zKill is a curse. There are people that treat zKill as a tool. There are those that treat it as a ranking system. The two greatest toxic kinds of people — the ones that treat _others_ as pieces of 💩 — are: - the people that don’t care about zKill because they are pacifists and morally justified in every action they take; and - the zKill warriors that are allergic to red on their killboard and believe any loss is a sign of utter flawed weakness zKill is best used in moderation. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/398 "2023-06-23T19:14:06Z")
> [@Dr\_Offensive](#): > > Yeah its events like this that make a mockery of the stats in zkill. > > Your new effectiveness rating is 99.9% after your recent 216BN kill. This is why I refuse to disgrace myself by doing something like whoring in on kills like the TTT. My record shows the damage I’ve either done myself, or provided a _significant_ level of contribution toward. > [@Distaine](#): > > Maybe give a score for each ship, balanced against what you used to kill it. Then split the credit by 1/300 in this case. Isk value isnt the answer either because being poor isnt a virtue and risk should equal reward. If you want to fight an isk war with me, then you already lost. What I proposed to Squizz is to add a “contribution factor” rating to the main stats, which averages out the percentage of contribution per kill based on the amount of involved parties. So if you have 2 kills, one with 2 parties on it and one with 20 parties, it would average .5 (50%) and .05 (5%) for a contribution factor of .275 (27.5%). It would be a good supplement for the solo ratio, and would take into account that some group kills are worth more than others (e.g. 2 vs 1 compared to 200 vs 1). But the people there didn’t like that idea, and instantly shot it down. The logic used was along the lines of “just because you were one of 300 people shooting something doesn’t mean you didn’t contribute much more than others!” and “just because you weren’t on a kill doesn’t mean you didn’t contribute to it!” I think they might be _missing the point,_ but it’s okay, I get it; people want those feel-good vibes of being an “elite warrior” and to be able to brag about their “skill” because they have 6,000 kills, even though they got most of them by firing one shot at a broadcasted target while in a fleet with 800 other players. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/399 "2023-06-23T20:06:55Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > But with 10% tidi…shouldn’t that equate to two and a half hours ? I’m not entirely sure how TiDi affects that honestly. I’m not 100% if ccp knows how TiDi affects everything. I know that somethings still count in normal time regardless of TiDi and others don’t. Some timers do, and some don’t. That does throw some weirdness into it for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/400 "2023-06-23T20:09:18Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > This is why I refuse to disgrace myself by doing something like whoring in on kills like the TTT I disgraced myself terribly on that thing. That poor Reaper never knew what it did wrong to deserve that kind of CONCORD response. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/401 "2023-06-23T20:29:42Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > I disgraced myself terribly on that thing. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/b/1/cb1508dd177799eff71416e2e9c18f553247845f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/402 "2023-06-23T20:31:30Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > This is why I refuse to disgrace myself by doing something like whoring in on kills like the TT But there is no record anywhere of ‘Destiny didn’t fire on the TTT’…whereas there’s a record that I did. So which is going to be remembered in 10 years time ? To me that is all that matters in Eve. Doing something that nobody can look up is like a tree falling in a forest and no-one there to hear it. ---
**Author:** ![Distaine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/distaine/32/502653_2.png) [@Distaine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Distaine)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/403 "2023-06-23T20:37:45Z")
KM whoring is disgusting. But the Keepstar is the only one ive ever taken part in. I had to… ive been ranting and preaching about this fkn peace agreement and how terrible it is for years so it seemed like something i wanted a reminder of for myself… and Wes blew up my pod too. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/a/c/4acea5237150920d045de2d7fc8ce35c193c287d.png) OMGAD this brings me so much happiness. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/404 "2023-06-23T21:04:27Z")
> [@Distaine](#): > > and Wes blew up my pod too. Well, that was prior to my criminal career and I was assisting CONCORD in making Perimeter safe for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/405 "2023-06-23T21:21:12Z")
I shall take your word for it Ramona McCandless. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2023, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/406 "2023-06-23T22:07:39Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > But there is no record anywhere of ‘Destiny didn’t fire on the TTT’…whereas there’s a record that I did. So which is going to be remembered in 10 years time ? To me that is all that matters in Eve. Doing something that nobody can look up is like a tree falling in a forest and no-one there to hear it. There not being a record of something happening _is_ a record of something not happening, so I’m kind of confused by that. Anyway, as a one-off I think it’s fine. But I’ve seen lots of players inflate their boards with these high-value kills, or stat-pad by dumping a bunch of unfitted frigates into space using an alt and then blowing them up. Like for example, if you look at the top character on zKill, it’s totally and completely padded. Then those players act like they’re actually skilled PvPers because of those big numbers, but if you look at the stats that actually matter, like the point-per-kill ratio, they’re absolute chumps (like for example TamiyaCowboy yelling about how “no one would want to mess with” him because he killed “tons of people,” despite having a grand total of a single lifetime solo kill to his record). Personally, I’d rather have one of these: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/d/3/9d3bdea7671eae207a746d523d19cd08ff8628a4.jpeg) …than a _hundred_ of these: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/2/5/5253c12b775ded866e3a1ec06b67a868174da898.png) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325/407 "2023-06-24T00:00:34Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Then those players act like… I don’t think anyone’s acting like anything. People simply want a record that says ’ I was there…and shot at the TTT’. I mean, I went along knowing I’d probably be number 2000 on some list of 2500. Who cares. The tidi was so bad that in a whole hour I fired 75 rounds of Void at the TTT. I don’t expect some ’ great PvP-er’ award for it all. Just a record that I bothered to show up and endure 3.5 hours of tidi. How killboard ultimately displays stuff is quite another matter. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ttt-drama/409325.md?page=17)