# Two features in buying and selling MUST have **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [August 13, 2020, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159 "2020-08-13T10:44:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Hamza\_ALKHUSAIBI](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hamza_alkhusaibi/32/376283_2.png) [@Hamza\_ALKHUSAIBI](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hamza_ALKHUSAIBI)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/41 "2020-08-13T17:17:51Z")
> [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > everyone is now aware that you are utterly incapable of deploying logic and valid rhetoric in support of your argument. citation please !! ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/42 "2020-08-13T17:23:26Z")
> [@Hamza\_ALKHUSAIBI](#): > > > [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > > > everyone is now aware that you are utterly incapable of deploying logic and valid rhetoric in support of your argument. > > citation please !! > **[False Equivalence](https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/cgi-bin/uy/webpages.cgi?%2Flogicalfallacies%2FFalse-Equivalence)** > > An argument or claim in which two completely opposing arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not. [https://effectiviology.com/false-equivalence/](https://effectiviology.com/false-equivalence/) Your car insurance scenario in no way is comparable to fake money in a market transaction in a video game. ---
**Author:** ![Hamza\_ALKHUSAIBI](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hamza_alkhusaibi/32/376283_2.png) [@Hamza\_ALKHUSAIBI](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hamza_ALKHUSAIBI)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/43 "2020-08-13T17:28:49Z")
keep trying ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/44 "2020-08-13T17:31:05Z")
> [@Hamza\_ALKHUSAIBI](#): > > šŸ¤£ again wrong logic keep trying So now youā€™re just gonna go full schoolyard neener neener as your support for your ā€œvalidā€ argument? Wow you collapsed into an embarrassing mess far quicker than the average troll around here. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/45 "2020-08-13T17:31:24Z")
Iā€™m not sure what you think I am ā€˜tryingā€™ other than to encourage you to use valid arguments to represent your proposal. **Nobody** will take you seriously using fallacious arguments. Literally, I am trying to help you here. You are failing utterly to present your argument for this change as worthwhile. You need to demonstrate how this would benefit players for anyone to support this, let alone CCP begin to consider implementing it. If all you want to do is shout into the void of the internet, though, keep on keeping on. šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/46 "2020-08-13T21:03:06Z")
> [@Hamza\_ALKHUSAIBI](#): > > if the plex sell price is for example between 2.5(M) and 3(M) isk > and you place a buy order for 300(k) is that a fare price to place a buy order The game shouldnā€™t dictate what prices are fair or not fair. Itā€™s a free market. There is no ā€˜fair priceā€™. > [@Hamza\_ALKHUSAIBI](#): > > so if i am in rush and not pay attention then for these reasons we do not deserve an extra protection ? No you do not deserve extra protection. > [@Hamza\_ALKHUSAIBI](#): > > from above Q&A i think it is clearly states what i am pointing to That you want trade insurance? ---
**Author:** ![Cade\_Windstalker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cade_windstalker/32/221037_2.png) [@Cade\_Windstalker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cade_Windstalker)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/47 "2020-08-13T21:38:10Z")
Iā€™m pretty sure thereā€™s already a warning for very large differences from the average price. Check if you have it disabled. The color thing isnā€™t a terrible idea, given that the trade UI already uses colors for various other things. Though instead of a set limit Iā€™d just go with significant digits and/or percentages away from the regional average price. The problem at that point is queries to the database, but thatā€™s probably solvable since the UI likely already has that value cached. ---
**Author:** ![Celine\_Sophia\_Maricadie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/celine_sophia_maricadie/32/178829_2.png) [@Celine\_Sophia\_Maricadie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Celine_Sophia_Maricadie)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/48 "2020-08-13T21:45:50Z")
> [@Hamza\_ALKHUSAIBI](#): > > so if i am in rush and not pay attention then for these reasons we do not deserve an extra protection ? No, you do not. _ **You** _ were in a rush. The _extra protection_ is up to you, to pay attention and not be in a rush. > [@Hamza\_ALKHUSAIBI](#): > > Q1: if u drive a car would you drive it with insurance or with out ? > if A: yes > Q2: why ? > A: i may by mistake crash my/and other cars > Q3: does insurance will stop you from crashing your car ? > A: No , _but it will reduce my losses_ Car insurance has sweet frak all to do with EVE Online and you being in a rush to sell item on an in-game market. This is what we call a straw argument. If youā€™re wanting some sort of in-game _insurance_ to protect your butt when selling stuff, **SLOW DOWN AND PAY ATTENTION**. This right here solves your ā€œproblemā€ completely. And itā€™s 100% in your hands and capability to make it work. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 12:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/49 "2020-08-14T00:05:44Z")
Iā€™ve made a few mistakes with market or what not. You know whose fault it was? Mine. Do I want CCP to change something because I rushed and put the wrong number in? No it was my fault. I got over it, made the ISK back, and learned my lesson to slow down when inputing numbers for marketing. CCP isnā€™t going to coddle you just because you ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  up. Enough people ask CCP to coddle them, we donā€™t need anyone else begging for changes to be made that donā€™t need to be made ---
**Author:** ![Felix\_Isimazu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_isimazu/32/387885_2.png) [@Felix\_Isimazu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Isimazu)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/50 "2020-08-14T03:25:15Z")
OP, this isnā€™t even the result of someone else intentionally making your day shittier like scammers or pirates or gankers. _You didnā€™t pay attention and screwed up_. This is not CCPā€™s problem. This is **nobodyā€™s** problem but yours. Youā€™re blaming CCP because you didnā€™t pay attention, Iā€¦wtf man. > [@Cade\_Windstalker](#): > > Iā€™m pretty sure thereā€™s already a warning for very large differences from the average price. Check if you have it disabled. Iā€™m (fairly) sure you canā€™t even disable this warning, I think itā€™s one of the few pop-ups that isnā€™t disable-able. I admit that it has saved my wallet more than once. ---
**Author:** ![Hamza\_ALKHUSAIBI](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hamza_alkhusaibi/32/376283_2.png) [@Hamza\_ALKHUSAIBI](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hamza_ALKHUSAIBI)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/51 "2020-08-14T16:28:18Z")
thanks for your comment. i added an image to original post ,please have a look @ thanks ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/52 "2020-08-14T16:36:18Z")
> [@Hamza\_ALKHUSAIBI](#): > > from the image it is clearly that the market average price have something wrong with it > this item is sold between 15,000 isk and 24,000 isk +/- 5-10% not more lmao, thereā€™s so much wrong here, and itā€™s all because OP is bad First off, the item is sold ā€œbetween 15k and 24kā€ in TRADING HUBS, for example inā€¦ Jita: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/f/ff0199a931eb66695f2dd3a7a4db8668a5ac77a1.png) Amarr: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/e/1e23c24f418bb55c834be46b8304a86b070b908a.png) Youā€™re in a random nowhere system named Palas, in a random structure. The ā€œmarket average priceā€ isnā€™t ā€œwrongā€. Thatā€™s the actual ā€œaverageā€ price for a dead region with no actual trade. The price is set so low because the average sales of that item in the region are sold to cheap buy orders of 1isk from desperate sellers who just want to get rid of it. Second, youā€™re selling that item **TO A PLAYER BUY ORDER**. No one is ā€œscammingā€ you here, kid. You should know that EVE Onlineā€™s marketplace is run (almost) entirely by players. Someone says, ā€œI want to buy Fuel Blocks for 24.97 iskā€, sets up the buy order, and then leaves it for desperate morons like you to come by and sell it to them. Finally, **If you want trade hub prices, go to a trade hub.** Itā€™s not the gameā€™s fault you decided to build 14,000 units of a fuel block in a region that has almost no trade, and then felt entitled to trade hub prices. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/53 "2020-08-14T18:02:37Z")
Scoots is right. That price is the average for that **region**. The reason itā€™s so low is that the buyers are factoring in the inconvenience of having to come pick it up. There is nothing ā€˜wrongā€™ with it. You can make more money by moving it to where prices are better. But it depends how much you value your time. Welcome to the real economy. ---
**Author:** ![Cade\_Windstalker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cade_windstalker/32/221037_2.png) [@Cade\_Windstalker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cade_Windstalker)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/54 "2020-08-14T19:44:31Z")
The other posters are correct, if somewhat uncivil about it. Average prices are calculated for your local area, not for the game as a whole. If youā€™re going to sell outside of a trade hub then youā€™ll want to have some reason for doing so. Either because thereā€™s local demand and you can charge more or move more product in a short time, or for some other more esoteric reason. In any case the UI indicates most of the things youā€™re having issues with here, and the lack of a warning and the high percentage shown are working as intended. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2020, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/55 "2020-08-14T23:33:01Z")
> [@Cade\_Windstalker](#): > > if someone uncivil about it. Welcome to the forums! (I think he means ā€œsomewhatā€) But they are correct. ---
**Author:** ![Cade\_Windstalker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cade_windstalker/32/221037_2.png) [@Cade\_Windstalker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cade_Windstalker)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2020, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/56 "2020-08-16T06:06:03Z")
Woops, small auto-carrot error there. And yeah, I know, but that doesā€™t mean I canā€™t call out peopleā€™s bad behavior for what it is. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2020, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/two-features-in-buying-and-selling-must-have/260159/57 "2020-11-14T06:06:07Z")
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