# Uedama anti-gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [May 23, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461 "2020-05-23T18:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/191 "2020-05-29T21:22:26Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Some people want to abuse you, some people want to be abused. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/0/70cc4b1563e1224c38f473539f00591ab64b0ab0.jpeg "Eurythmics, Annie Lennox, Dave Stewart - Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This) (Official Video)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeMFqkcPYcg) ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/192 "2020-05-30T00:59:43Z")
I like the cheesy version too. Sweet dreams are made of cheese. Who am I to diss a Brie? I Cheddar the world and the Feta cheese. Everybody’s looking for Stilton. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/193 "2020-05-30T01:11:23Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Any time I say something that you thinks is wrong or a lie, that’s me being sarcastic. You laid down these rules. You still don’t get it. That’s _not_ how it works. Actually, this perfectly illustrates the kind of crap you do all the time. If you want to claim something you said is sarcasm, then you have to at the very least be _consistent_ about it throughout all your posts, but as I’ll show below, you’ve failed to be consistent about it even in this very same post that I’m replying to. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s quite simple. You lie and when called out on it you’re like “Oh no, that’s sarcasm. I was lying o purpose therefore I was using irony”. I’m just laying out the inevitable end of your logic. Let me get this straight. Are you saying that you do believe what I said there was anything other than mocking you for claiming I’m a CODE alt? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Who determines if the context is clear, the person saying it or the people reading it? For the context to be clear it has obviously to be clear for both the person that says it and the majority of the audience it’s intended for. What determines whether it’s a joke, a lie, sarcasm, or what, is what the person that says it really meant. The context is what allows the audience to understand it and not take it at face value. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You’re now claiming it’s sarcasm but there’s no context around it suggesting that’s the case. LOL. It was about you, so the context is everything you say in these threads, in particular you ranting in every thread about how imbalanced you think suicide ganking is and also you claiming anyone that disagrees with you must be a ganker alt. Moreover, there even was another post at the beginning also mocking you for the very same reason, and hence providing even more context in the same direction that should have made it really easy for you to understand what I meant. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So to be clear, you despise people on the internet who have a different opinion to you No, that’s what you keep pretending is the case, completely ignoring on purpose what I’m telling you is the actual reason, namely that you do things such as misrepresent what others said, make up stuff, and lie all the time. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s also exactly what I’m doing. Nope. And that’s a fundamental difference between you and me. What I do doesn’t guarantee I’m right, but it does guarantee I do my best to try to be right. You **don’t** do what what I said I do at all. In particular you make up stuff that only exists in your head but that you need to fill the holes in your “reasoning”, while also dodging and ignoring everything that doesn’t fit your narrative. I never do any of those things. And your rants about suicide ganking show that you haven’t done a bottom-up analysis there either. It’s very clear from everything you say about it that it just doesn’t “feel” right to you, and you then try to justify that feeling with completely made up “observations”, systematically ignoring any other observations or data that contradict your claims. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m just not arrogant enough to pretend that my opinion is an objective fact and call everyone who disagrees demented. I am arrogant, but I don’t do that. What I do is my best to properly analyse all the facts, without ignoring any and without making up any to fill holes up. And I don’t call everyone that disagrees with me demented either. I do, however, call you out on having a need to make up stuff in order for things to make sense to you. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No, that was in your first post in the entire thread. Feel free to click the link. Since you’ve just got through telling me how you’ll change your view when presented with facts I’ll expect your admission of fault shortly. LOL. Yes, I made the joke about you being a CODE alt by just saying that at first. What I’m saying is that I _also_ said that in the other post, in the same paragraph as the other thing that was sarcasm which I added to make the joke funnier, i.e. it was all part of the same mockery about you claiming I’m a CODE alt that you keep not getting… 🤣 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But that in itself is a lie because you’ve presented yourself as a code pilot and echoed their exact wording. You even got banned from the AG channel for it. Most people were aware of it before you got banned from the channel, it was just understood that code would always have spies in there and you were one of them. ROFLMAO. This is unbelievable and it perfectly illustrates everything I’m saying. Man, we’ve been there already. I asked you to provide any evidence of that and you didn’t. You’re merely repeating the same nonsense again, completely ignoring all the evidence to the contrary simply because it doesn’t fit your narrative. Again, I was **not** banned from AG for being a member of CODE. Nowhere may I have possibly claimed to be CODE, except maybe to make fun of someone like you or Dracvlad for claiming I was, but then it should have been obvious that was the case, LOL. I shoot them and sometimes make their ganks fail if I’m not busy with some other ganker elsewhere. Even when I cooperated with them to gank ICANP, I would still hunt the very same gankers I was cooperating with if they tried to gank other targets elsewhere and I happened to be there. This could be easily checked in a number of ways besides checking my KB, but that’s not really the issue. The issue here is that you believe this for the sole reason that you **need** to believe it, despite none of the things you’re claiming are evidence of it actually proving it at all. You’re not interpreting correctly **any** of the things you claim are proof of me being a CODE alt, and _that_ is what illustrates perfectly well some of the crap that you do. But again, I’m not saying this to convince _you_ of anything, so please, by all means keep believing what you **need** to believe and pretending it’s me who is lying here. I **love** making fun of fools like you like this… 🤣 BTW, didn’t you say everything I think you’re wrong or lying is sarcasm? How is that compatible with what you just wrote there? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I don’t need to discredit you to ignore what you are saying. That’s correct. You only try to discredit me when whether I’m really an anti-ganker, and an effective one at that, might be relevant to the discussion. In all other cases you simply ignore what doesn’t fit your narrative for no reason at all. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > What’s hilarious is you seem to sit there patting yourself of the back about it all day long oblivious to how ridiculous it looks. 🤣 I don’t think you’re able to fully appreciate it, but it’s hilarious and ridiculous, indeed. 🤣 🤣 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Oh, so when I look at the evidence and come to a conclusion, that’s just my perception When you claim I’m abusive and insulting for merely disagreeing with me, despite all the evidence that it’s always for some _other_ reason, you’re coming to an entirely subjective conclusion based solely on your perception and made possible by your habit of ignoring the facts that don’t fit your narrative, yes. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > In reality, we just have two opinions. They differ. No, we don’t just have two opinions that differ. We have very different _methods_ to form those opinions. This very post I’m replying to shows you doing a lot of wrong things that I would have never done. As an example (and this is just an example), at the beginning of your post you said everything I think you’re wrong or lying would be sarcasm, but then you fail to be consistent with that in the very same post you said it and instead pretend that me saying you’re lying about me not only doesn’t automatically make your claim sarcasm, but it does actually make me the one that’s lying… It might seem a minor detail that doesn’t really matter much because nobody was going to take seriously what you said anyway, but the key here is that you were using that claim to try to “prove” that I was lying about the sarcasm thing, i.e. you don’t mind claiming something to “prove” one thing and then do the contrary to claim another. You do crap like this all the time. You’re simply unable to realise or admit you do it because the only thing that matters to you is whether something fits your narrative at any given moment or not. You don’t care about being consistent in your “reasoning”, or about making up stuff to fill the holes, or whether you’re ignoring things that you shouldn’t, or about anything really, you just care whether whatever you come across at any given moment fits your narrative or not. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/194 "2020-05-30T08:33:00Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Again, I was **not** banned from AG for being a member of CODE. Nowhere may I have possibly claimed to be CODE, except maybe to make fun of someone like you or Dracvlad for claiming I was, but then it should have been obvious that was the case, LOL. I was the one who announced the ban at the direction of Ast in the thread that you made on the subject of that hisec chat channel and your reaction to it. It was not because of membership of CODE, but because you were ganking alongside CODE. I will refer to you as CODE aligned in terms of your attitude, I really could not give a monkey’s if you are CODE or not, but you are no longer in the AG chat channel which works for me. 👌 > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Again, what’s your point? If you are not there 100% of the time why should you expect to be able to shut them down completely? The point is that I am backing up Lucas Kell’s statement that it is impossible to win, and I am focussing on the excessive multi-boxing no life gankers, and we also got onto the fact that we cannot in the majority of cases save a target, and that loot denial is the only approach that works. > [@Vals\_Loeder](#): > > Doing nothing is difficult now? What has become of the world. Being on station waiting for a ganker to be active is difficult especially for hisec players that still have to grind, unless they are playing the market like Tipa. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/195 "2020-05-30T08:44:45Z")
So is there a new channel for people who want to take it seriously? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/196 "2020-05-30T08:45:35Z")
You are welcome to go there and be abused. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/197 "2020-05-30T08:47:05Z")
Why would I go there? I, like you, have no wish to actually change the current status quo ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/198 "2020-05-30T08:51:01Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > hisec players that still have to grind They _have to_ grind? Says who? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Being on station waiting for a ganker to be active is difficult No, it is not. You literally don’t have to do _anything_. It only costs time. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/199 "2020-05-30T08:51:48Z")
> [@Vals\_Loeder](#): > > No, it is not. You literally don’t have to do _anything_ it only costs time. Time is free, OK. I wonder if any of the forum watch dogs will jump on you for that blooper? ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/200 "2020-05-30T08:53:51Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Time is free, OK. I wonder if any of the forum watch dogs will jump on you for that blooper? My god do you have a reading impediment?. It is not a blooper. I do not say time is free. I say waiting which only costs time is not difficult. Waiting in a station on a ganker is time consuming, yes. Is it difficult, no. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/201 "2020-05-30T08:58:59Z")
I made my point, this is a cost in time opportunity for hisec players, and you blithely stated that it only costs time which seemed to indicate that you think that time is free as you were acting as if it did not matter. Hence my suggestion that you did a time is free post. It is pretty clear that this was to make a point that you were erring on the side of that type of thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/202 "2020-05-30T09:01:56Z")
Uhm no. But knowing you want the final word anyway. I’ll leave it to you. Everybody else can judge for themselves why your statement is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/203 "2020-05-30T09:03:57Z")
Not bothered about that at all, but it is pretty evident that you think that the time opportunity cost for AG is meaningless and think that there is no issue for them to sit around waiting for gankers. I just made it clear that this is wishful thinking on your part, because AG don’t get much income from this, though the loot scoopers do, if they keep it, some give it back to the original victim. ---
**Author:** ![Surly\_Bill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/surly_bill/32/221329_2.png) [@Surly\_Bill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Surly_Bill)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/204 "2020-05-30T09:19:03Z")
Codes view on your efforts. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/5/65182fff39002275999c142f42a68b288593a690.gif) ](https://66.media.tumblr.com/8fb3b530e38f276901c7c4c3e18e0b95/tumblr_mky5kth8gJ1rhgf17o1_500.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/205 "2020-05-30T09:19:44Z")
That looks like CODE players in a circle jerk ranting and raving over new players getting on kills with CONCORD. Seems a little forced and false to me 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/206 "2020-05-30T09:37:24Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So is there a new channel for people who want to take it seriously? I don’t think there is any other _public_ channel for AG. I have my own _private_ channel that people I trust may join, and there is also the option to join the guys that created this thread, which have the right attitude from what I’ve seen so far. Don’t know whether they have a public channel, I guess they just use the existing AG channels for that, but they do have a recruitment thread here: [Become an Officer! New Eden Police Force is recruiting](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/become-an-officer-new-eden-police-force-is-recruiting/232412) ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/207 "2020-05-30T09:43:44Z")
They looks pretty good, I hope they develop well. ---
**Author:** ![Surly\_Bill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/surly_bill/32/221329_2.png) [@Surly\_Bill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Surly_Bill)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/208 "2020-05-30T09:48:10Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/4/d45bc5545686d37945adb925392cb60bccfe7939.gif) We’re behind ya ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/209 "2020-05-30T09:49:17Z")
Looks like James315 congratulating Knowledgeminer for his efforts. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/211 "2020-05-30T18:19:39Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You fell for it! I was being sarcastic then too! You’re missing the point and actually fell victim of your own device there. Of course you were being sarcastic, but the point is that for you to be sarcastic there, you had to mean the opposite of what you said. _That_ is where consistency matters and what you’re missing. If you want to claim you were being sarcastic there, which I’m sure is the case, then you cannot use that to “prove” this: > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That’s how it works right? I just need to claim anything I said was sarcasm and I get a free pass? So in admitting that was sarcasm, which we all already knew it was, you also admitted yourself that what you said there is plain false, i.e. you **cannot** claim anything you said was sarcasm and get a free pass… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Consistency doesn’t make it sarcasm. You don’t understand. For you to claim you used irony to convey sarcasm, you need to claim you meant something else than what you said. It’s in pretending that you meant something else that you need to be consistent. You cannot claim something was sarcasm in one place and then clearly show you did actually mean what you said in another… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Any chance you can ask this in English? Not sure why you would need this to be explained but here it goes: I was clearly mocking you for claiming I’m CODE alt by claiming the same about you. You pretend that mockery was a lie, which would indicate you do believe I did actually mean what I said, which is what I was asking for confirmation, i.e. do you believe I did really mean you’re a CODE alt when I said that or what? Because if you’re aware I was merely mocking you, then you cannot claim it was a lie, whereas if you’re taking what I said at face value then yes, you could make a fool of yourself and claim it was a lie… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So then when I claim something is sarcasm, it’s sarcasm. If the claim is honest (too much to ask from you, I know), then yes, of course. In principle, you’re the only one that knows what you meant, and hence whether what something you said was sarcasm or not… But the fact that you talk about this as if you thought it could be a problem in practice or something, is very telling. You’re completely missing how consistency matters here. The key is that you cannot claim something you said was sarcasm and then behave in a way that clearly indicates you did actually mean what you said… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But I don’t. Since I know for an absolute fact that I don’t do that (because I’m me, so I witness everything I do first-hand) that means you are yet again lying. ROFL. Too bad you’re not the only that witnesses what you do on these forums, eh? 🤣 > [@"Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > > > In particular you make up stuff that only exists in your head but that you need to fill the holes in your “reasoning”, > > Where? And you ask this while discussing one of the things you make up all the time, which is claiming people that you know nothing about are ganker alts for the sole reason that they disagree with your views on suicide ganking… 🤣 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > How are they made up? Because you’ve decided that they are? No, because you make them with nothing to substantiate them other than your beliefs. The case of you claiming other participants must be ganker alts being a good example, but the other thread about suicide ganking has more, and when proven wrong you simply dodge the issue so you may keep believing whatever you want to believe… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > This is yet another lie. Sorry, but merely stating this or that is a lie, to try to make it look like I make the same kind of gratuitous claims about you or Dracvlad, doesn’t work. You need to also show why it’s a lie, like I’m doing every time I claim that. I never do merely state something is a lie. So please feel free to point out where have I made up anything or ignored any fact that was relevant, which is what I said I don’t do and you’re claiming is a lie. I hope you have something better than me saying you’re a CODE alt, LOL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > What evidence to the contrary? Sorry, but not doing the work for you, so you may keep making a fool of yourself, is part of the fun… 😁 As I said, I **don’t** want to convince _you_ that I’m not a CODE alt. Actually, I want you to keep believing I am. At this point I’m only interested in showing how you have absolutely nothing to substantiate your claim, because it perfectly illustrates some of the crap that you do all the time… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No, you were banned for acting exactly like a member of code. Pointing out that you were a code spy was a running theme long before that. So what? It is a fact that I was **not** banned for being a member of CODE. Are you using some gossip in AG channel from people that had no clue as “proof” now? BTW, it’s funny that you keep bringing up my ban from AG channels as “proof” because the people that banned me _do_ know I’m not a CODE alt, but I’ll leave it at that, LOL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > > > make their ganks fail > > More lies. ROFLMAO. This is gold. I’m gonna bookmark this for posterity. There are other things that may be more difficult to figure for someone that’s not in the know, but this is really easy. And still you prefer to keep making a fool of yourself by dismissing it and claiming I was lying there… C’mon, even Dracvlad could help you there, but he’s simply letting you make a fool of yourself instead… 🤣 🤣 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > We all know you cooperate with code. Yes, I’ve cooperated with them to gank pilots that were a common target for us. And I also cooperate with them to gank actual bots (not mere “bot aspirants”). So what? How does that make me a CODE alt? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > There’s not _evidence_ of that. From these threads it seems there’s a conversation, a difference of opinion, then you start lobbing tirades of attacks. LAter you then claim there’s some reason that noone else is seeing. LOL. Of course there is, and it’s very easy to check by just you giving an example of me doing what you’re claiming I do, to which I may then reply showing why I did that in that case, how it isn’t related to the difference in opinions at all, and how the actual reason was there for everybody to see but you simply chose to ignore it… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Yeah, but I was being sarcastic. Yes, but that wasn’t the point. The point is that you were not being consistent about it because you used that to try to “prove” some other claim that, if it was sarcasm (which it was), then cannot be “proven” that way… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461.md?page=11)