# Uedama anti-gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [May 23, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461 "2020-05-23T18:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/317 "2020-06-10T11:22:21Z")
> [@Sexy\_Shower\_Time](#): > > Isn’t he loyalanon’s alt? Not 100% certain, but it would not be a surprise if he was. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/318 "2020-06-10T12:39:01Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I have not seen that either, the only toxic posting I see is Australian Excellence. I have been around a lot of ganks where people don’t even react. Is this one of those times in which your observations trumps those of others (in your opinion)? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/319 "2020-06-10T12:48:09Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Is this one of those times in which your observations trumps those of others (in your opinion)? Well it is my opinion from my interactions with him as AE and as Loyalanon. I jumped into Uedama a number of years back. Wolf Soprano one of his alts went into a real load of nonsense in local at me. He was obviously upset over something… ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/320 "2020-06-10T13:05:44Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Well it is my opinion from my interactions with him as AE and as Loyalanon. I jumped into Uedama a number of years back. Wolf Soprano one of his alts went into a real load of nonsense in local at me. He was obviously upset over something… I couldn’t care less about Loyalanon or Australian Excellence and you constantly getting a boner when you encounter them. I asked because you state you have never seen anybody from AG be toxic in local (or in the AG channel) without mentioning there are other sources which can easily claim the opposite. I have seen you do this “I have never seen it so I don’t have to agree what you say might be true” stick before. You hide behind this stick so you don’t have to actually use arguments to defend your opinion. It is a juvenile way to argue with people. Let’s try if you can leave that phase of your life behind you, shall we? Okay, in your opinion, is it likely that people from AG do, at times, behave toxic in a (any) chat channel? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/321 "2020-06-10T13:19:24Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > I couldn’t care less about Loyalanon or Australian Excellence and you constantly getting a boner when you encounter them. Why would I have a boner over that toxic braggart? > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > I asked because you state you have never seen anybody from AG be toxic in local (or in the AG channel) without mentioning there are other sources which can easily claim the opposite. Define what you mean by toxic, if I use the definition of insults thrown at me in these forums as an example of not being toxic, I mean you just effectively called me a kid, then no one has ever been toxic in Eve ever. 😛 > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > I have seen you do this “I have never seen it so I don’t have to agree what you say might be true” stick before. You hide behind this stick so you don’t have to actually use arguments to defend your opinion. It is a juvenile way to argue with people. Not at all, because I have seen people let off steam at times, but I have no issue with that, you would find that as toxic, I don’t. For example someone saying all CODE are wankers, is that toxic? Some people will find someone saying all CODE are silly twits as toxic. Someone said CODE are like Al Queda in the AG chat channel, well in game they are terrorists, is that toxic? To be blunt I don’t because they are not saying it to the face of the gankers but to people that are in a channel that opposes CODE and that the spies found it toxic, ROFL. I happen to think it pretty juvenile that people find even the slightest thing toxic. So I repeat with the truth as I see it, I have not really seen any truly toxic comments in AG chat channel. But I am not a tender snowflake. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/322 "2020-06-10T13:20:34Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Define what you mean by toxic, Dracvlad, if you would like some free remedial vocabulary lessons, check out this link: > **[14,321 FREE Vocabulary Worksheets](https://busyteacher.org/classroom_activities-vocabulary-worksheets/)** > > Looking for free vocabulary worksheets? We've got tons of them! Dozens of subcategories, instant download. Click here to start now! ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/323 "2020-06-10T13:22:55Z")
For example you are not being toxic, just doing a fail windup. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/324 "2020-06-10T13:53:03Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Why would I have a boner over that toxic braggart? Because you can not resist pointing out they are one and the same person. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Define what you mean by toxic Why would I? You are the one using the word making broad statements about other player’s behaviour. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > you just effectively called me a kid I indeed did. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > but I have no issue with that, _you would find that as toxic_, I don’t Do I? You know what I find or think? Earlier you asked my definition of “toxic”. So, you do not know what I consider toxic. Try not to contradict yourself in a single post. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > So I repeat with **the truth as I see it,** I have not really seen any truly toxic comments in AG chat channel. But I am not a tender snowflake. The truth only exists when you are able to observe it. Is that your statement? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > is that toxic? Is it toxic to post in local chat … and I paraphrase “you should die of cancer, I’ll find out where your family lives and I will rape your wife and murder your children”. Honest question: do you consider the above statements as an example of toxic behaviour? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/325 "2020-06-10T13:59:31Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Because you can not resist pointing out they are one and the same person. Because I think he is. > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Why would I? You are the one using the word making broad statements about other player’s behaviour. Well I defined what I see as toxic but that is more on behaviour, at least for me. > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > I indeed did. Could be toxic? 😛 > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Do I? You know what I find or think? Earlier you asked my definition of “toxic”. So, you do not know what I consider toxic. Try not to contradict yourself in a single post. I should have added perhaps, it would be better if I had said perhaps you would have found that toxic. > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > The truth only exists when you are able to observe it. Is that your statement? And how you perceive things, some people would see someone calling another person a silly twit as toxic. > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Is it toxic to post in local chat … and I paraphrase “you should die of cancer, I’ll find out where your family lives and I will rape your wife and murder your children”. Honest question: do you consider the above statements as an example of toxic behaviour? Yes that is toxic behaviour even when letting off steam, but is it also toxic behaviour to wind up that person to get to the point of saying things like that as an objective rather than making people angry so they give opportunities in game for pixels to blow up. And this is why you and I will never see eye to eye. Get over it, I have, it is a non-issue. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/326 "2020-06-10T14:54:27Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Because I think he is. Sigh … > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Could be toxic? Sure. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I should have added perhaps, Correct. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > And how you perceive things, some people would see someone calling another person a silly twit as toxic. I’ll rephrase it … is it your statement that: the truth only exist (for you) when _you_ are able to observe it and what you perceive as the truth? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Yes that is toxic behaviour I am glad we agree. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > but is it also toxic behaviour to wind up that person to get to the point of saying things like that as an objective It will obvioulsy surprise you, but I actually agree. Your mistake (again) is that you assume to know what I think or what my opinion is. I consider it toxic behaviour indeed, it doesn’t mean I think it should be eradicted from the game. back to: > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Yes that is toxic behaviour I am gald you admit there are thruts even when you haven’t observed them yourself because I can assure you that plenty of AG aligned players behave toxic in local. Sometimes they are lured into it by the gamker, other times they just go full blown beserk because their ■■■■■■■ venture was blown up. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > And this is why you and I will never see eye to eye. Never is a very long time. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Get over it, I have You haven’t, otherwise you would stop posting about it. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/327 "2020-06-10T15:54:51Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > I’ll rephrase it … is it your statement that: the truth only exist (for you) when _you_ are able to observe it and what you perceive as the truth? I made it quite clear that it was my observation and based on what I define as toxic. I don’t operate in the US TZ which I am told is more toxic than other TZ’s. > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > It will obvioulsy surprise you, but I actually agree. Your mistake (again) is that you assume to know what I think or what my opinion is. I consider it toxic behaviour indeed, it doesn’t mean I think it should be eradicted from the game. Then we agree here too. > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Never is a very long time. You are right as we actually did see eye to eye. > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > You haven’t, otherwise you would stop posting about it. I replied to this: > [@Oxycon1](#): > > So instead, I will keep hanging around gankers as there is no whining, no toxic ■■■■■■■■, and a lot of opportunities to fleet up. Which is why I said this: > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Get over it, I have, it is a non-issue. As in raised by him. I am going to like your post. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/328 "2020-06-10T16:01:40Z")
Summary of this thread: Passionate gankers try to trigger Dracvlad. Dracvlad don’t get it and is easily triggered. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/329 "2020-06-10T16:10:11Z")
This windmill is full of lances. Dulll ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/330 "2020-06-10T16:38:50Z")
I don’t think I was triggered, lol, I was merely responding in an affable manner to something that I have not really seen. In fact I managed to agree with Nicolai which made my day. Have you seen any truly toxic behaviour in the AG chat channel. You might have seen Knowledgeminer at it? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/331 "2020-06-10T16:42:11Z")
> Triggered, lol, I responding in an affable manner. Is this kind of like how you complain about other people taking things too seriously as you compose massive wall of text replies to every single post anyone makes in your direction? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/332 "2020-06-10T16:42:44Z")
With one line answers 😂 You made me laugh out loud. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/333 "2020-06-10T16:46:16Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > You might have seen Knowledgeminer at it? Could you two just have hatesex already? I swear, your obsession with Knowledgeminer reads like bad Twilight fanfiction. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/335 "2020-06-10T17:27:08Z")
Nah, Knowledgeminer is OK, and the chat is actually OK too in the last months. I remember this not always to be the case in the past. But the real whiners in this game are the gankers … starting from the famous begging in local to not kill his haulers by Kusion last year, being banned from minerbumping channel on to various insults thrown at me in Russian and English nowadays. To be fair, some gankers are cool dudes, you can have a chat with on the gate. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/336 "2020-06-10T18:03:38Z")
Very much so and well said. ---
**Author:** ![Australian\_Excellence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/australian_excellence/32/367782_2.png) [@Australian\_Excellence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Australian_Excellence)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2020, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/337 "2020-06-11T00:10:55Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > But the real whiners in this game are the gankers Yeah sure, thats why gankers make 100s of threads a year asking for nerfs. oh wait… > [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > starting from the famous begging in local to not kill his haulers by Kusion last year, lmao I dont believe that for a second, the guy literally couldn’t care less when he loses looting haulers, he just laughs, docks and boards another one in the 100 he has sitting in station 🤣 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461.md?page=17)