# Uedama anti-gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [May 23, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461 "2020-05-23T18:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Mitsuko\_Chan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitsuko_chan/32/385970_2.png) [@Mitsuko\_Chan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitsuko_Chan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/823 "2021-04-12T22:36:05Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Start ganking/doing wars No comment I don’t deny your experience. Maybe I’ve been fortunate or unfortunate, I don’t know which, pick one 🙄 #StandWithRobocop ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2021, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/824 "2021-04-12T22:37:29Z")
Well, you can also do it for fun. You don’t have a lot of time left. Non-consensual PvP has one foot out the door already. Another two-three years, tops. ---
**Author:** ![Mitsuko\_Chan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitsuko_chan/32/385970_2.png) [@Mitsuko\_Chan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitsuko_Chan)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/825 "2021-04-13T19:34:39Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Non-consensual PvP has one foot out the door already I’m finished with EvE should that day finally come :facepalm: ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/826 "2021-04-14T01:26:57Z")
> [Mitsuko Chan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitsuko_Chan) > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > Non-consensual PvP has one foot out the door already > > I’m finished with EvE should that day finally come Well, there you have it. An admission that non-consensual attacks (ganking) exist combined with an admission that they are central to some people’s enjoyment of this game. Make of that what you will. This is why I suggested a pop-up that declared undocking is consent to PVP…so that all PVP would be consensual officially by default…while still allowing for the feel of non-consensual PVP so some folks can still get their jollies but victims can be talked down easier. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/827 "2021-04-14T01:35:07Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Well, there you have it. An admission that non-consensual attacks (ganking) exist combined with an admission that they are central to some people’s enjoyment of this game. Make of that what you will. No one’s ever claimed that non-consensual PvP doesn’t exist, nor did anyone ever claim that it wasn’t one of the game’s main selling features. Did you forget to take your meds today? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/a/c/0acdd014eb513a534855607a419e653857298c3a.png) ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/828 "2021-04-14T01:38:34Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > No one’s ever claimed that non-consensual PvP doesn’t exist, Anyone who ever said “undocking is consent to PVP” denied the existence of non-consensual PVP. I am not saying either of you two did, but it sure represents a schism in the ganking community if you never have or don’t agree. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/829 "2021-04-14T04:22:35Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > Anyone who ever said “undocking is consent to PVP” denied the existence of non-consensual PVP. Seems like you don’t understand what that phrase actually means. ---
**Author:** ![Mitsuko\_Chan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitsuko_chan/32/385970_2.png) [@Mitsuko\_Chan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitsuko_Chan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/830 "2021-04-14T05:34:21Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > An admission that non-consensual attacks (ganking) exist combined with an admission that they are central to some people’s enjoyment Close but I think you’ve misinterpreted my statement - non consensual attacks is not limited to ganking. Ganking as an activity is just a small element of non-consensual PVP. Undocking, regardless of a systems security status should come with it an element of risk. To remove the risk altogether would make Eve a mundane and meaningless experience. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/831 "2021-04-14T06:46:59Z")
I do not consent to PvP. When I gank a freighter in Uedama I just want to PvE against CONCORD and the bot miner, and RELAX, but when antiganker shoots at me for 0% damage it is very upsetting and even discriminatory. I did not shoot at them, my ship can’t even shoot back, I can’t lock at that range, I can’t do any damage at that range, and I 100% do not consent to antiganker griefing. ---
**Author:** ![Hazen\_Koraka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazen_koraka/32/395218_2.png) [@Hazen\_Koraka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazen_Koraka)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/832 "2021-04-14T10:37:16Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > my ship can’t even shoot back Is it unfair? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/833 "2021-04-14T10:53:24Z")
The risk of non-consensual PvP on me is central to my enjoyment of the game. Is this a bad thing now? ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/834 "2021-04-14T12:23:06Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > The risk of non-consensual PvP on me is central to my enjoyment of the game. If you mean YOU are perpetrating the attack, then there is no risk in the sense you are using it. You are choosing the timing. If you mean you are RECEIVING the attack then its not non-consensual. Rather its a surprise if you welcome it. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/835 "2021-04-14T12:24:55Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I do not consent to PvP. When I gank a freighter in Uedama I just want to PvE against CONCORD and the bot miner, If only you were actually only shooting bots, AG would support you. But you aren’t, so the above is just a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/836 "2021-04-14T12:26:31Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Seems like you don’t understand what that phrase actually means. Seems like you don’t since you don’t bother to explain. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/837 "2021-04-14T12:28:42Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > If you mean YOU are perpetrating the attack I do not, or that is what I would have said. > [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > If you mean you are RECEIVING the attack then its not non-consensual. Rather its a surprise if you welcome it. You are unable to see in anything but a black and white manner, so I am not surprised this concept illudes your reasoning. If you dont see a difference between expecting an unwanted attack, and receiving an unexpected, unwanted attack, and looking for a wanted attack its not really a surprise you get into so many arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/838 "2021-04-14T12:34:10Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I do not, or that is what I would have said. Your statement was unclear. That’s not my fault. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > If you dont see a difference between expecting an unwanted attack, and receiving an unexpected, unwanted attack, its not really a surprise you get into so many arguments. When you say its part of your enjoyment of the game it changes everything. Oh, believe me, I know well how people cannot grasp that it does and yes I do get into a lot of arguments over it, especially with third wave feminists. Of course part of that comes from refusal to admit the enjoyment. But here you do admit the enjoyment so its pretty obvious you are being nonsensical about this. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/839 "2021-04-14T12:37:33Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > That’s not my fault. Nothing ever is, is it. Youre the clearest visioned, most righteous person on the planet, and have never done anything your regret. We should all heed your words and follow your example and the world will be as it was in the Long Long Ago. > [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > third wave feminists I would ask you go be polarising somewhere else, but we both know youd take that as a challenge to stay and tell us more about how we should be living. Silly us for not being so ready to judge others and blame them. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/840 "2021-04-14T12:44:48Z")
Your relentless dodging of the point is noted. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/841 "2021-04-14T12:47:14Z")
What point? The fact that you disagree that unwanted expected attacks are not me consenting to engage in combat? Your disagreement is noted, but I dont agree. What else is there to talk about? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/842 "2021-04-14T19:30:56Z")
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