# Uedama anti-gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [May 23, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461 "2020-05-23T18:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/843 "2021-04-14T19:49:20Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I’m having a hard time distinguishing whether or not he genuinely doesn’t get it, or is merely playing dumb Based on his comments on bitcoin, covid, etc, I’m guessing he is being 100% sincere. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/844 "2021-04-14T19:53:31Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > If you mean YOU are perpetrating the attack, then there is no risk in the sense you are using it. You are choosing the timing. > > If you mean you are RECEIVING the attack then its not non-consensual. Rather its a surprise if you welcome it. Every single person consents to PvP attacks by logging in to EVE. What people smarter than you understand is that “non-consensual” means that PvP does not have a mechanic where both players must specifically consent to a particular PvP fight, PvP can happen at any time in any place as long as at least one player is willing to open fire. This is contrasted with games where PvP is only in the form of duels or arenas where each specific fight must be agreed to by all participants. So yes, EVE still has non-consensual PvP even if the fact that it does is an appealing feature for many players. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/845 "2021-04-14T20:01:31Z")
Oh oh miss miss _waves hand in the air_ But according to several posters, if Im in a transport and gankers try to attack me, its not even PvP. So Im trying to figure out how its both not PvP AND consentual PvP at the same time. Or more likely… Its PvP I havent consented to accepting, but am aware can happen and have prepped for. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/846 "2021-04-14T20:21:41Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Its PvP I havent consented to accepting Well, at least that’s still better than someone consenting to the PvP, and then retroactively revoking the consent after it’s over and they regret the experience. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/847 "2021-04-14T20:59:38Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > f only you were actually only shooting bots, AG would support you. Show me ONE, just ONE time I have shot anything BUT a bot. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/848 "2021-04-14T21:47:26Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Show me ONE, just ONE time I have shot anything BUT a bot. I can if he can’t… Not waiting I’ll do it ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/849 "2021-04-14T21:59:18Z")
-Extracts from the Pirate Princess- > **[Barghest | Mykee Johnson | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/89846413/)** > > Mykee Johnson (MIner Dream Home) lost their Barghest in Scheenins (Verge Vendor). Final Blow by Innocent Blonde (The New Order Gamis Affiliates) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 1,382,763,068.50 ISK Mykee Johnson refused to buy a permit from Zopiclone, Then I sent my best man, **Krig** , who took Mykee’s Orca, plus 5 Harvester drones, plus 500 million isk, and shot his pod. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 10:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/850 "2021-04-14T22:18:17Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Bot killmail. Sure looks like a bot fit with that auto-targeter on there. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/851 "2021-04-14T22:24:56Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Sure looks like a bot fit with that auto-targeter on there. Indeed. Explains why he refused to buy a permit. The bot wasn’t programmed well enough. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/852 "2021-04-14T22:25:59Z")
What did I expect , you’ll say anything to made him a bot, that fact that he talks is enough. Maybe farming missions but still playing eve ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/853 "2021-04-14T22:26:54Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > What did I expect , you’ll say anything to made him a bot, that fact that he talks is enough. You’ll say anything to defend botters and make false accusations about gankers targeting legitimate players. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/854 "2021-04-14T22:29:01Z")
Modern bots have fancy talking functions built in. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/855 "2021-04-14T22:31:41Z")
Oh well must be true, so destiny\_corrupted could be a bot too (How do you do the linky name thing) ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/856 "2021-04-14T22:41:37Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > (How do you do the linky name thing) @ symbol @Destiny_Corrupted @Githany_Red ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/857 "2021-04-14T22:45:06Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > so destiny\_corrupted could be a bot too Could be, however Knights of the New Order are experts at identifying bots and seems they’ve never flagged Destiny for further investigation at any point. So doesn’t appear to be any smoke here. Safe bet, Destiny is realer than Pinocchio. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/858 "2021-04-14T22:48:18Z")
Now I’m starting to doubt my own existence. I never thought that my existential crisis would be triggered by a C&P post. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/859 "2021-04-14T23:42:23Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > What people smarter than you understand is that “non-consensual” means that PvP does not have a mechanic where both players must specifically consent to a particular PvP fight, “Must”? Why “must”? I never said it “must” be that way. I simply said it “isn`t” that way but could be with a simple pop-up at undock. And since you didn’t understand that and came up with that “must” from your own failure to understand, you really need to back off on statements like “people smarter than you”. And lets look at this: First you say: > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Every single person consents to PvP attacks by logging in to EVE. Then you say: > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > So yes, EVE still has non-consensual PvP even if the fact that it does is an appealing feature for many players. Decide. Which is it? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/860 "2021-04-14T23:44:01Z")
They’re both the same photo meme time. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/861 "2021-04-14T23:44:10Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > “Must”? Why “must”? Because that’s literally what “consensual PvP” means: a mechanic where all participants in a PvP encounter must agree to that specific encounter. Examples: arena PvP, dueling, etc. > Decide. Which is it? Like I said, people smarter than you understand that “non-consensual PvP” is about a particular game mechanic, not your absurd attempt to make it about some kind of moral acceptance that PvP might happen. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/862 "2021-04-14T23:46:00Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Show me ONE, just ONE time I have shot anything BUT a bot. First, define bot. Cause it looks to me like your operating definition is “a ship”. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461.md?page=41) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461.md?page=43)