# Uedama anti-gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [May 23, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461 "2020-05-23T18:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1163 "2021-08-15T07:23:27Z")
Of course, did I say otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1164 "2021-08-15T07:23:59Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > others we use to learn to fly about as -10, it’s actually fun trying to get from place like that. yes it is 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1165 "2021-08-15T11:27:19Z")
yes it is ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1166 "2021-08-15T14:58:09Z")
Cough…, you replied with the wrong toon? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1167 "2021-08-15T19:02:27Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > It is merely explaining why AG players cannot use their mains for this, no need for you to get so uptight and suggest I am complaining about it as a mechanic overall. Seriously…, are you always this upset? No, it was a veiled complaint of “wouldn’t it have been better if \_\_\_\_, right guys?” Maybe you’re not even noticing what you’re typing at this point? “Man, not being able to [game mechanic that has no counter] sure is unfair!” “Um, if they did that, it would basically make [activity] impossible to perform…” “Haha, why is gankbaby so upset, lol!? SALT!” Let’s flip the roles a bit. How about I post how CONCORD “restricts” ganker “counter play at least for the main characters.” Then you’ll respond with a rational explanation of the imbalances that would be created if CONCORD were removed, and I’ll respond to that by asking why you’re so “upset.” Seriously, you’d be a much nicer person to talk to if half of your posting wasn’t made with the intent of getting these little passive-aggressive jabs in about how gankers et cetera are “salty” or “angry” or “upset” or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1168 "2021-08-15T21:29:57Z")
It was to explain why most players in hisec can’t use their mains. It was an observation of that fact and that fact alone, it explains why so many people do not AG, because they can’t afford to set up an alt for it as most only have one account. Using their main exposes them to serious loss. I was never really sure about KR’s as such, and when I found out how slow they were to update and how they were being gamed I was even less impressed. IN fact apart from giving a little more risk to Tornado gankers, they are pretty useless. I was not commenting on the rights or wrongs of said mechanics or looking at CONCORD, I took it as you going off on another tangent to score a point, if that was not the case than I apologise. I am not a fan of CONCORD, but I am not sure what other method CCP could use. The whole thing is a pretty imperfect mess for both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1169 "2021-08-15T23:23:01Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > It was an observation of that fact and that fact alone, it explains why so many people do not AG, because they can’t afford to set up an alt for it as most only have one account. Alpha accounts are free, and having a viable AG character within the limit of 5M SP is quite possible (can even use the Tornado). The reason why most people don’t AG is two-fold: 1. It’s a thankless, unrewarding activity where the only incentives for engaging in it are principle-based. 2. The grand majority of players who would be on the AG side of EVE’s great moral divide are players who don’t touch _any_ PvP content with a ten-foot pole. I’ve always maintained that while I think that AG is a valid play style, and players are free to play as they wish, on a very fundamental level I advise players to **not** be AGs because most of the players they save _are not worth saving_. A much better use of time would be to run a mercenary corporation where specific protection/escort services can be purchased, or maybe provided at ganking hot-spots on a blanket coverage model via a standings-based subscription service. Providing this service for free will only make potential victims become more complacent and feel more entitled to safety. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1170 "2021-08-16T08:47:22Z")
A solo Alpha account is pretty limited, not having a scout makes it very difficult to get in the right place at the right time. I could say more on this but I don’t want to to say too much as it involves another player, but my comment that it takes a multi-boxer to deal with a multi-boxer is one of the reasons why this is sub-optimal. In the end the only thing one can do to have an effect is go on a scout murdering session which is what most AG players did with their solo Alpha accounts. There is an AG corp that specialised in that and has ships paid for by Thomas. 1. I would agree with that, but you you are missing another reason to do it, which is to oppose them because they need opposing otherwise it is certain ISK. 2. That is a sweeping generalisation and not really correct. Most people don’t do it because it is difficult and futile and offers them no real gain. Lucas Kell is spot on with his assessment on why people do not AG. I don’t think it is a valid play style for all but the most committed players. Furthermore it is really only a decision for most players to resist gankers on an ad hoc basis and will always be something the majority of people do every so often. Which is one of the reasons I don’t knock the fun factor from getting on CONCORD kills. Another thing is that some players are most definitely worth saving, I came across multiple hisec freighter players who had a really good attitude doing contracts and getting ganked. These people were taking big risks and to do what they wanted to do, and most of them got wiped out completely, so that they could no longer do the contracts. I got talking to a few that were forced to give up because they ran out of ISK and the ability to sustain the losses. I was talking to people who were hisec freighter pilots who were forced out of the game, hence my push on bumping for example. I have had discussions about offering services in the past, some people tried to go down this route but got no takers. Please note that you are suggesting something that not a single mercenary group has ever done because they just cannot push their players to do it, they want kills, so they hub camp, pipe camp, gate camp and kill structures. It sounds like a good idea, but no one who wants to PvP will spend time being a nurse maid like that to a freighter or JF like they used to do in nullsec at one point. No one in Eve would do that, it is boring and tedious and the limitations based on hisec mechanics give no real value as they are one step behind every time. AG could take out the scouts first, they could take out the tackle too with expandable accounts too, but we would need a team of players operating their dedicated single Alpha accounts to do this. They would also have to b really dedicated people to wait around for gankers to log in and become active. It is kinda like setting up a trap for an AFK cloaky, or sitting on a Titan waiting to jump in on something Most people doing alliance logistics do it because they like doing it, they do it on off alliance alts and do it solo, you could ask major nullsec alliances why they do not escort their logistics players JF’s and freighters? And that would answer why it does not happen. They could do it, they seriously could, but they just don’t care. This kind of merc is a pipe dream, it really is, I too was hoping that this could happen but sadly even though this game is quite close to real life at times in terms of organisations and being deep and all, in this area it just never gets close, people don’t want to spend their time doing this, and this is why it never happens. I can assure you that people have tried to set this up and failed dismally. EDIT: @Githany_Red - It may be possible to develop this with a really committed group of players having fun together as you are doing, I am watching your play with a lot of interest. Scarcity perhaps will make nullsec blocs more aware of the strategic nature of their logistics and if so would add greatly to the game. What Destiny suggested is what I too wanted to see develop. One of the reasons I pushed for bumping to be changed was to make it more difficult to stack up held targets, so it become harder to control where, so AG could concentrate and have a chance. Another reason I was happy about NIarja as there is now one pipe. If we can just get -10 excluded from NPC stations we can perhaps have in place enough drivers to create meaningful content around ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1171 "2021-08-16T11:59:06Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Seriously, you’d be a much nicer person to talk to if half of your posting wasn’t made with the intent of getting these little passive-aggressive jabs in about how gankers et cetera are “salty” or “angry” or “upset” or whatever. It probably feels righteous to him to “even the scales”, considering that salt, anger, upset are the obvious goal of the majority of those gankers. You’re not wrong in your assessment, but that seems to be part of the EvE experience to have blatant hypocrisy on _both_ sides. I don’t think I’ve seen an example of anti-gankers/miners/pve players sending you folks a “how was your forum post lock” survey form, or a “can you describe your butthurt over this new ganking nerf?” query. A lot of the posters here would be a lot more interesting if they weren’t dropping sneers into half their replies. Yourself included. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1172 "2021-08-16T12:31:31Z")
> [@Same\_Old\_Topics](#): > > It probably feels righteous to him to “even the scales”, considering that salt, anger, upset are the obvious goal of the majority of those gankers. I hate replying like I do at times, as I have said numerous times I reply back in the same way that I feel that I have been replied to, I work on the basis that I treat others as they treat me. But I am not afraid to apologise like I did above. I will try to do better. Because Destiny had been talking to me in a better way I had deblocked him, and I think that was a genuine reaction to my reply, which in my case was not meant as a dig, because I was just talking about the affect KR’s had on AG using mains. So I apologised for taking his reply on a different tangent as a troll attempt. The forums here have developed so many people in a bad way, myself included. ---
**Author:** ![Same\_Old\_Topics](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/same_old_topics/32/282720_2.png) [@Same\_Old\_Topics](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Same_Old_Topics)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1173 "2021-08-16T13:21:23Z")
No doubt. Look, I have tried to never once insult the intelligence of the “suddenly betrayal” gang, because evidently they have intelligence to spare. It’s seeing people you _know_ are smart acting like asshats that annoys. Destiny is smart and more or less consistent in it. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1174 "2021-08-17T06:12:11Z")
Come to watch in your pod, Mr Red will be a -10 in no time. ![wanted](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/5/3/b535a33b33f277888e2735f255ae3c67e427b877.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1175 "2021-08-25T07:12:15Z")
Well for a short time in Uedama we had a very nice fleet at one point I couldn’t count the number of sentry drones. X100 gang left to gank some where else , they kept scouting the sivala gate but instead ganked at the juu gate . Which really highlights a new problem, before when gankers ganked unopposed and we indeed failed they had no need to move ,now we force them to change and that gives them the vital seconds they need. So it shows we are such a threat now they have to avoid us and secondly we need new tactics ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1176 "2021-08-25T09:35:15Z")
Outmaneuvered. If you can’t beat them - join them. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/e/e/0eed246e1dd8955deedf2b2ccb5627fd3ca900af.png) ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Roaming](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_roaming/32/283691_2.png) [@Hans\_Roaming](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Roaming)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1177 "2021-08-30T21:37:27Z")
How do you guys earn ISK from this? ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2021, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1178 "2021-08-31T05:40:51Z")
Some freighter pilots we save give us isk , others see what we do and give us ships. Many of us have alts that make us isk and the older players support the new players with ships to do ag work, after all the ships we use are often cheap as we are targets for being ganked ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2021, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1179 "2021-08-31T08:15:49Z")
Ganking is good. Ganking is right. Ganking clarifies, cuts through and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Ganking for fun, ganking for love, ganking will save EVE. A gank a day keeps the doctor way. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2021, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1180 "2021-08-31T09:57:41Z")
From a poem generator I found; # The Ganker and the Gankee ### Rhyming Couplet Ideas by Anonymous See the Ganking of the man, I think he’s angry at the plan. He finds it hard to see the Retriever, Overshadowed by the Small mountain fever. Who is that Mining near the Catalyst? I think she’d like to eat the philatelist. She is but a Yellow girl, Admired as she sits upon a pearl. Her Numerous car is just a Destroyer, It needs no gas, it runs on whitmoyer. She’s not alone she brings a Barge, a pet Orca, and lots of extra large. The Orca likes to chase an Asteroid, Especially one that’s in the hemorrhoid. The man shudders at the Bright cat He want to leave but she wants the mat. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2021, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1181 "2021-08-31T13:10:37Z")
Ganking is good Ganking is fine Ganking is right Ganking is mine I love to gank Yes, I do cuz ganking is great Yes, it is I gank all day Watch me go Githany is a bad but I am so great Retrievers and freighters Ventures and marauders Everything gets ganked cuz ganking is great HateleSS just hates Subway just cries but most people gank cuz ganking is great Githany ganks, yes she does Knowledgeminer ganks, oh yes cuz ganking is good and ganking is great You can gank with an alpha or gank with an omega CCP allows ganking cuz ganking is great I gank with my friends and also with strangers I sure love ganking cuz ganking is great Arrendis just moans and Dryson is wrong Dracvlad just spams but ganking is great The CSM goes ganking I see Mike ganking Brisc ganks too cuz ganking is great Merkelchen is ganking Nomnom is too the CSM knows that ganking is great CCP invented ganking everybody can gank ganking is EVE and EVE is great! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2021, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1182 "2021-08-31T13:11:53Z")
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