# Uedama anti-gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [May 23, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461 "2020-05-23T18:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1265 "2021-10-15T00:52:31Z")
> [@Torimika](#): > > As to your ranking of motive, why do you get to judge what is a worthy motive or not in others? Haha ! This entire thread is jam packed with gankers or their supporters deciding the worth and motive of others. Ganker threads here are full of gankers deciding that solitary miners in highsec are a waste of pixels. The entire ganker ethos in itself entirely a value judgement on others. The same hypocrisy is applied with the ‘freedom’ to gank…by people who never talk about the ‘freedom’ to mine. The African plains ? ‘Nature, red in tooth and claw’ ?. Let me know when Attenborough does a documentary showing 15 crocs suicide ganking a wildebeast. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1266 "2021-10-15T01:24:51Z")
I don’t think anyone is saying you aren’t free to mine. In fact if you buy a permit and follow its terms you can mine as much as you like. ---
**Author:** ![Torimika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/torimika/32/429655_2.png) [@Torimika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Torimika)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1267 "2021-10-15T01:27:07Z")
The Hunt (2015) - Episode 1. Not just crocodiles, but the epitome of group gankers, the African Wild Dogs (_Lycaeon pictus_). Or see [Great Migration River Crossing Masai Mara, Kenya - Zebras & Wildebeests @LowisandLeakey Safaris - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSynuQQnUxc) And of course miners are free to mine, just not free to mine unmolested - which applies to all occupations and activities in Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1268 "2021-10-15T02:24:24Z")
Gotta love the way everyone is unfree to roam Eve unmolested …apart from gankers. A miner, or anyone else, transporting anything across Eve faces an all or nothing risk. They either 100% make it, or 100% don’t. Gankers, on the other hand, simply don’t face that dilemma. They can see exactly what cargo a person has, exactly what rig and fittings and defence they have, and can know exactly how many ships to bring in…which means the stakes are not all or nothing but are heavily weighted in favour of the ganker. So the idea that there’s some sort of ‘equal freedom’ or ‘unfreedom’ is just plain nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 2:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1269 "2021-10-15T02:29:26Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Gotta love the way everyone is unfree to roam Eve unmolested …apart from gankers. Why are gankers protected? Generally, anyone is free to engage them, either due to outlaw status or kill rights. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1270 "2021-10-15T02:34:21Z")
Gankers are ‘protected’ by having weighted up the odds in advance. The fact that someone else, or Concord, can take them out is part of that calculation. That is precisely why it is called suicide ganking. Anyone even remotely proficient at ganking thus cannot lose…which is more than you can say for their targets. Ganking is the casino equivalent of playing with loaded dice. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1271 "2021-10-15T02:35:51Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Gankers are ‘protected’ by having weighted up the odds in advance. So they take steps to protect themselves then? What stops anyone doing that? ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 5:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1272 "2021-10-15T05:49:57Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Gotta love the way everyone is unfree to roam Eve unmolested …apart from gankers. A miner, or anyone else, transporting anything across Eve faces an all or nothing risk. They either 100% make it, or 100% don’t. Gankers, on the other hand, simply don’t face that dilemma. They can see exactly what cargo a person has, exactly what rig and fittings and defence they have, and can know exactly how many ships to bring in…which means the stakes are not all or nothing but are heavily weighted in favour of the ganker. I see your point and it often seems that way but we use all the above to hunt them . In the last week I have taken part in or chatted to people who have - hunted using KR , stopped ganks and saved ships , ganker station destroyed , stopped large fleets ganking because we arrived on the scene, ganked gankers off gates, people just have to do it ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1273 "2021-10-15T05:56:55Z")
Ganking the gankers is particularly poetic justice, as there isn’t a single reason gankers use to justify ganking that cannot be turned back on them. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1274 "2021-10-15T06:49:32Z")
Gankers dont have an issue with it. Thats something you just made up. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1275 "2021-10-15T06:51:24Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Ganking the gankers is particularly poetic justice, as there isn’t a single reason gankers use to justify ganking that cannot be turned back on them. You mean, there’s an effective counter if one is able to make use of it? I knew you’d get it eventually, Cilla! ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1276 "2021-10-15T07:15:29Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Ganking the gankers is particularly poetic justice Go do it. Fun for everyone. Exactly what a game is about. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1277 "2021-10-15T07:16:37Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Gankers dont have an issue with it. Gankers don’t like being ganked or pulled out of fleets and killed, but in reality no one does. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1278 "2021-10-15T07:19:10Z")
They dont have a problem that the same mechanism they use is usable against them. I didnt think I needed to be quite that specific. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1279 "2021-10-15T07:20:48Z")
Sorry just got back from a long run and didn’t really think about my reply. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1280 "2021-10-15T07:22:12Z")
Its cool 🙂 Ive said many times that I think your initiatives are a great thing to see in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Landeskog\_Salvo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/landeskog_salvo/32/387471_2.png) [@Landeskog\_Salvo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Landeskog_Salvo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1281 "2021-10-15T16:39:50Z")
CCP just needs to arm haulers/miners…Ohhhh Spicey. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1282 "2021-10-15T21:05:58Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Gotta love the way everyone is unfree to roam Eve unmolested …apart from gankers. A miner, or anyone else, transporting anything across Eve faces an all or nothing risk. They either 100% make it, or 100% don’t. Gankers, on the other hand, simply don’t face that dilemma. They can see exactly what cargo a person has, exactly what rig and fittings and defence they have, and can know exactly how many ships to bring in…which means the stakes are not all or nothing but are heavily weighted in favour of the ganker. > > So the idea that there’s some sort of ‘equal freedom’ or ‘unfreedom’ is just plain nonsense. Anyone can be ganked. Nothing is stopping you from ganking the gankers. Uh, cause they have magic powers? All of that takes locking. And if you don’t understand what being locked on to means, plz biomass kthx. They are in fact not heavily weighted. If I was mining and I got locked by a random slasher, I’d already be warping to pre-aligned to a safe. Plz learn to EVE. Hell, once they got into local I’d nope out already. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Gankers are ‘protected’ by having weighted up the odds in advance. The fact that someone else, or Concord, can take them out is part of that calculation. That is precisely why it is called suicide ganking. Anyone even remotely proficient at ganking thus cannot lose…which is more than you can say for their targets. > > Ganking is the casino equivalent of playing with loaded dice. I’ll never understand this perspective. Its like you believe gankers have magical powers. > [@Landeskog\_Salvo](#): > > CCP just needs to arm haulers/miners…Ohhhh Spicey. or yennoe they just gotta find friends to guard and pay them out from the mining proceeds. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1283 "2021-10-16T02:06:04Z")
I’m a witch, in real-life. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/1284 "2021-10-16T02:50:11Z")
Apparently. I think the hard part is most of these peeps have never actively hunted another player in EVE. A player who is paying attention is much harder to kill than one who isn’t. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461.md?page=62) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461.md?page=64)