# Uedama anti-gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [May 23, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461 "2020-05-23T18:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/170 "2020-05-29T14:30:14Z")
We used to patrol the Jita-Amarr route and we would leave a long line of logged off Tornado gankers behind us. I used to patrol at times with Hazan Koraka and so many gankers would log off when he was around. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/171 "2020-05-29T14:32:41Z")
Exactly, and why do people still say, you can’t do something is beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/172 "2020-05-29T14:40:30Z")
The issue is with the excessive multi-boxers such as Kusion and AE. Not long before I stopped playing I along with two or three others spent a couple of days on Kusion and we reduced his ganking, though we could not stop him completely. He would go afk then would feint to the wrong gate and so on. This was especially difficult with fast warping gank ships. We were of course keeping tabs on his loot scoopers and suicide tackle, but he had so many of them he would often feint. We could only cover two out of the three gates with HIC’s in any case. Yes we reduced his ganking, which is a win in one sense, but we could not stop him completely. When our own excessive multi-boxer was around our success rate was much greater, I think he managed to reduce his ganking by about 60-70% which is his estimate. In the couple of days me and two others went after Kusion we reduced his ganking by about that level and we nabbed at least five decent loot drops… He aborted about six times too. ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/173 "2020-05-29T14:42:38Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Sometimes I feel like Dracvlad’s sole purpose is to remind everyone that AG is failing daily. I thought he was setting the AG record for toxicity, because he would out-cesspitt them all. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/174 "2020-05-29T14:50:43Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > The issue is with the excessive multi-boxers such as Kusion and AE. Those are really pro I know. I’m not stalking them anymore or long because they tend to turn against you (Kusion catched my Phobos once). But while I was doing I was always on the right gate before the hauler, there are usually only two gates. But they are pros in scooping as well, so HICs are useless or only support. You need to have a spare ninja hauler sitting cloaked on each gate to scoop the loot before they can do, and a second to scoop its loot after it dies. As AG you don’t need the gank squad but the same professional loot scoop setup (plus HIC support in case someone else steals the loot, btw, I see gankers have own support HICs now against the ninjas). Chances are equal because everybody can warp to the yellow wreck at the same point in time. If gankers don’t get the loot 90% of the time this has consequences. The loot game is completely fair and skill based, everybody on grid has same chances. AG would have the advantage to not care about the actual value of the loot, if it is destroyed (trash before you die?). ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/175 "2020-05-29T15:05:36Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > When our own excessive multi-boxer was around our success rate was much greater, I think he managed to reduce his ganking by about 60-70% which is his estimate. In the couple of days me and two others went after Kusion we reduced his ganking by about that level and we nabbed at least five decent loot drops… He aborted about six times too. So then what are you complaining about? You won more than 50% of the time. Do you think that ganking isn’t balanced until you have a 100% success rate at stopping it? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/176 "2020-05-29T15:14:28Z")
Pretty much that, an excellent summary. Loot denial is the only valid strategy, and it is effective. The issue we had was that I was able to cover two of the three gates in Uedama with a HIC, but I only had one player dong the loot scooping and he was also acting as scout too with the loot scooper. If we had more people loot scooping then he would have been blocked. However step back a bit, that is a pretty extensive investment in time and effort against two people who are effectively no-lifers. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > So then what are you complaining about? You won more than 50% of the time. Do you think that ganking isn’t balanced until you have a 100% success rate at stopping it? If I could develop a team of people who were committed to have no life to counter multi account solo gankers then I could beat them yes. But you have to be relentless and be very used to just sitting around doing nothing in game for long periods. If you think that this is easy to do then think again. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/177 "2020-05-29T15:17:07Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > If I could develop a team of people who were committed to have no life to counter multi account solo gankers then I could beat them yes. But you have to be relentless and be very used to just sitting around doing nothing in game for long periods. If you think that this is easy to do then think again. Again, what’s your point? Why are you entitled to win when you admit that you aren’t dedicated to winning? Gankers have more dedication, they win more often. Everything is working just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/178 "2020-05-29T16:23:28Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > If I could develop a team of people who were committed to have no life to counter multi account solo gankers then I could beat them yes. But you have to be relentless and be very used to just sitting around doing nothing in game for long periods. If you think that this is easy to do then think again. That’s the point. I’m doing it mostly in Forge because I can babysit my market stuff while watching for suspects. The loot pay may help, if you can secure it, in finding people, doing it in shifts maybe? Or you can just accept, that you don’t _want to_ compete with no-lifers in a video game. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/179 "2020-05-29T16:24:55Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Lying, how boring and sad. And interestingly enough, you cannot refrain from doing it in each and every post… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I saw you go straight in with insults. You’ve seen so many things you never provide evidence of, and then dodge the issue when evidence to the contrary is actually provided (which shouldn’t be necessary to begin with, since the onus of the proof is on you)… But I understand, I wouldn’t feel the need to provide any evidence of my claims either if I had the credibility that you have, I’d just assume everybody is gonna simply take my word for it… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > when you are trying to develop people to get better you have to be prepared to bite your tongue and be calm rational and patient. You say this as if I had any obligation to “develop” them and to bear with any crap they wanted to throw at me, as if I was being paid for doing that or something… BTW, I’m always calm and rational. Even when I start becoming abrasive, I do it calmly and rationally. I do take the time to decide how abrasive exactly do I want to be depending on the attitude I observe… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > And no it does not make people realise anything, it makes people get even more mad and angry. You’re wrong again. That depends on the people. It does not make the _wrong people_ (those that cannot stand the truth when it hurts) to realise anything, yes, but I don’t cater to _that_ kind of people at all. Telling the truth **does** always make the _right people_ (those that can stand the truth when it hurts) to understand and learn to do things better. Actually, I made some AG friends precisely for being like that there. You’ve never understood this because the truth has no value for you at all, and hence you always base what you _think_ is right or wrong on some _other_ considerations… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Your words here prove yet again that you are not up to educating people. What it proves is that I’m not up to educate them _the way you’d like them to be educated_, which I feel repugnance for… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You saw them bragging and wanted to tell them off I wanted them to understand _why_ there is no point in bragging about those kills, not merely tell them off without understanding why, like you’re trying to make it look… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You are so fragile that you can get annoyed at a rookie bragging about getting on a kill of a ganker. LOL. You don’t understand a thing. You don’t _want to_ understand a thing… It has absolutely nothing to do with myself. I replied the way I did, exactly like I did in this thread too, to help them understand _why_ bragging about those kills is pointless and may make the gankers laugh at them when they do, but most importantly so they may learn to see for themselves when they’re being effective and when not, and hence know when they need to do things better or differently _if_ they do actually want to be effective… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > So now you are declaring everything you say as sarcasm LOL. Where have I said _everything_ I say is sarcasm? I said _that_ was sarcasm, which it obviously was. Why would I say Lucas does _not_ want to change the game mechanics? Why would he be ranting about suicide ganking in each and every thread claiming it’s “imbalanced” and whatnot if it wasn’t because he _does_ want to change them? Sorry, guys, but your inability to see what is sarcasm and what not, even in cases as clear as that, does not help your case, LOL. Maybe if you weren’t so used to lie all the time, you wouldn’t feel this need to fool yourselves trying to “catch” others lying too like you do… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I saw no need to go all ape shite on a noob in the AG chat channel, that is your issue mate, own it. That would be my issue IF it had happened, but it didn’t… You interpreting it that way or trying to make it look like it happened that way is **your** issue… You making up stuff like that all the time and then failing to provide any evidence whatsoever is **your** issue… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Yes you are, you would not post such pathetic drivel if that wasn’t your aim. Nope. I posted that because, as I said, I do consider the _possibility_ that you _may_ have some of those issues because of all the evidence, not just this incident, that indicates that _could_ very well be the case. Your insistence that it might not be sarcasm, even after having _carefully_ explained it was and why, does not help to make it look otherwise… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/180 "2020-05-29T17:15:19Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Again, what’s your point? Why are you entitled to win when you admit that you aren’t dedicated to winning? Gankers have more dedication, they win more often. Everything is working just fine. By the very nature of their prey if we cannot be there for 100% of their play time, then they can win big time, I refer you to the DST I linked above and will link it here for good order. > **[Occator | kpe3u | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/81752385/)** > > kpe3u (Wiskey Brothers) lost their Occator in Niarja (Domain). Final Blow by Daijiro Sakai (WHoliday Campaign) flying in a Gnosis. Total Value: 32,541,059,395.84 ISK That on its own negates all the success that we had if they had scooped it. It is an impossible battle to be blunt and not many have the mental toughness to keep turning out for it. I should also point out that we have moved on from the concept of saving people and focussed on the end point of loot denial as the only way to compete against them. It is amusing that there is some sort of acceptance of that fact. AG has no chance unless they just focus on loot denial it is as simple as that. > [@Gergoran\_Moussou](#): > > That wasn’t a suicide gank, though. The freighter on AP was suicide ganked, that was the looter of a local tornado ganker that got in on the loot when the main gankers hesitated and we killed him. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/181 "2020-05-29T17:19:07Z")
That wasn’t a suicide gank, though. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/182 "2020-05-29T17:22:52Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > That’s the point. I’m doing it mostly in Forge because I can babysit my market stuff while watching for suspects. The loot pay may help, if you can secure it, in finding people, doing it in shifts maybe? Finding the right people is difficult. Perhaps if I do come back I can hook up with you? > [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > Or you can just accept, that you don’t _want to_ compete with no-lifers in a video game. There is some truth in that. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > You say this as if I had any obligation to “develop” them and to bear with any crap they wanted to throw at me, as if I was being paid for doing that or something… Then why be in the AG chat channel when it was mainly made up of noobs coming there to rant a littrle after being ganked. Do you like inflicting pain on yourself? > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > BTW, I’m always calm and rational. Even when I start becoming abrasive, I do it calmly and rationally. I do take the time to decide how abrasive exactly do I want to be depending on the attitude I observe… Not sure I could accept that as true, you did admit to Ast that you were angry with some people. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > You’re wrong again. That depends on the people. It does not make the _wrong people_ (those that cannot stand the truth when it hurts) to realise anything, yes, but I don’t cater to _that_ kind of people at all. Then why were you in the Ag chat channel when most of them were like that? > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Telling the truth **does** always make the _right people_ (those that can stand the truth when it hurts) to understand and learn to do things better. Actually, I made some AG friends precisely for being like that there. I know that you did, so what you alienated a lot more. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > You’ve never understood this because the truth has no value for you at all, and hence you always base what you _think_ is right or wrong on some _other_ considerations… You don’t accept the damage that you did. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > What it proves is that I’m not up to educate them _the way you’d like them to be educated_ , which I feel repugnance for… Then why be in that channel? > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > I wanted them to understand _why_ there is no point in bragging about those kills, not merely tell them off without understanding why, like you’re trying to make it look… And you tried to do that at times, but you always started to get insulting as soon as they got defensive, it is lame behaviour on any one that wants to develop people. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > It has absolutely nothing to do with myself. I replied the way I did, exactly like I did in this thread too, to help them understand _why_ bragging about those kills is pointless and may make the gankers laugh at them when they do, but most importantly so they may learn to see for themselves when they’re being effective and when not, and hence know when they need to do things better or differently _if_ they do actually want to be effective… Gankers get annoyed at people getting killmails on them with Concord, I have seen many ranting at it, no idea why, so it has value, there was also bounty too. There are many reasons to do it, most notably for fun. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > That would be my issue IF it had happened, but it didn’t… You interpreting it that way or trying to make it look like it happened that way is **your** issue… You making up stuff like that all the time and then failing to provide any evidence whatsoever is **your** issue… I saw you do it multiple times. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Nope. I posted that because, as I said, I do consider the _possibility_ that you _may_ have some of those issues because of all the evidence, not just this incident, that indicates that _could_ very well be the case. Your insistence that it might not be sarcasm, even after having _carefully_ explained it was and why, does not help to make it look otherwise… See, you did do it for that, forum losers play the RU mad card… ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/183 "2020-05-29T17:26:59Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Actually I was being sarcastic just then. You were being sarcastic about what where? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That’s how it works right? I just need to claim anything I said was sarcasm and I get a free pass? No, it doesn’t work that way. The way it works is you need to _understand_ sarcasm first, which you apparently don’t and I’m starting to seriously doubt you ever will. IF (big if) you did understand sarcasm, then yes, you could use it whenever you want too, BUT no, you would _not_ get a free pass that way, because you would need to be _consistent_ about it, not sure if you understand what that means… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s not automatically irony. With that logic anyone that knowingly lies about something isn’t lying they are just making use of irony. Amusingly that means that you must think it’s only possible to lie if you don’t know what you are saying is false. WTF are you on about now? Man, you have serious comprehension issues. Why would you feel the need to say that? No, claiming something knowing it isn’t true is not automatically irony. What I quoted that made you reply with this nonsense is the (partial) definition of irony. I was merely explaining what irony is to you because it’s often used in sarcasm and you seem to not know that either… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > As an example - and this is not true as far as I know - if I say “Knowledgeminer is a convicted animal abuser” Is that making use of irony or is that just a lie and an attempt to insult? That would depend entirely on the context. There is no way to answer that question without a context. It could be a lie intended to harm my reputation (i.e. a libel). It could be a joke/irony/sarcasm if it’s clear from the context that you expect others seeing it to not take it seriously and at least wonder whether you’re joking. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You think that you are objectively right and that anyone that disagrees with you must have some sort of problem which you want to highlight to make people accept your opinion. First off, I despise people like you and Dracvlad so much that I don’t expect nor care at all that you agree with me or accept my opinions or anything like that. Get that already. The reason I argue with you is to let everyone _else_ following the discussion see the “quality” of rational analysis that you’re capable of. And if you make a fool of yourself like Dracvlad does all the time, you not so often, then all the better, the discussion then becomes hilarious and is a lot of fun… I think I’m objectively right because I form my opinions from the bottom up, by rationally analysing **all** the facts I’m aware of and seeing where that leads me, as opposed to start with an opinion based on feelings and then try to _justify_ it with the “facts” that match what I want to believe and ignoring the rest or not analysing them properly. There are many things I simply don’t have an opinion of for that very reason. If I encounter a fact I hadn’t previously considered or hadn’t analysed properly which makes me change my opinion, then I change it, because **it’s in my best interest to be factually, objectively right, not to try to make everybody believe that I’m right when I’m not** … Now, if you feel the need to make up stuff, and in particular make false claims about me, to try to discredit me or to justify your inability to argue properly, then yes, I’ll call you out on that, and will most likely insult you too, but not for merely disagreeing with me… Or if you do things like dodging the facts that don’t fit your narrative, or misrepresenting something I said to try to make it look like I said something else, or that new “strategy” Dracvlad is using now of claiming I said something is wrong but then refusing to say what exactly it is, LOL, then yes, I’ll call you out on that too and tell you you have some intellectual shortcomings, which you’re clearly showing is the case when you do those things… Now, you may ignore all those things you do and pretend I talk to you the way I do merely for disagreeing with me, but that does **not** make it true… > [@"Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > > > Also, what blatant lies of mine have you ever spotted. Could you quote just one please? > > Sure. > > > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > > > there is a CODE alt on the forums @Lucas_Kell ROFLMAO. That was in the same paragraph where I said I was being sarcastic… It was all part of the same joke (which I’m gonna keep repeating every time I have the opportunity to do so, LOL)… And you use that as an example of me “blatantly lying” in the very same post in which you claim this? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I haven’t lied about you, I’ve simply stated why I believe you’re wrong and cited my experience. So let me get this straight… I’m telling you you’re lying about me being a CODE alt all the time… I make a joke about that by doing the same to you, so you may better appreciate the gratuitousness and silliness of your claim… And not only you don’t get the joke, but you even take that as “proof” that I’m lying and you’re not? 🤣 🤣 🤣 Man, it’s not that you haven’t lied. It’s that you have a pathological **need** to believe your lies because things wouldn’t make sense to you otherwise. Of course, you won’t admit you’re lying precisely because of the **need** you have to believe those lies, but that doesn’t change the fact that you **are** lying. You just have a mental deficiency that prevents you from realising you’re doing it. And it’s not just me, I’ve seen you doing the same to others too. You’ll simply claim whatever you need to believe about them to discredit them or to ignore what they’re saying because things wouldn’t make sense to you otherwise… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The evidence suggests that you are hostile and abusive and can’t accept any level of disagreement or criticism without trying to insult and demean the opposing party. That’s not what the evidence suggests. That’s what your _perception_ of the evidence suggests to _you_, because you have decided to simply ignore the reasons why I consciously behave one way or another in each case, and in your case in particular… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You tell them _your opinion_ then insult them when they don’t accept it as fact. Not at all. Again, every time I do that is because of some _other_ reason than disagreeing with me, like making up stuff and lying about me or someone else the way you and Dracvlad do all the time… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > This is not true. So is this a lie or is it further use of irony? It **is** true, so neither. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/184 "2020-05-29T17:59:13Z")
You like to abuse and be abuses by people in the AG chat channel, it made you feel good. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/185 "2020-05-29T18:30:42Z")
Some people want to abuse you, some people want to be abused. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/187 "2020-05-29T19:04:29Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Then why be in the AG chat channel when it was mainly made up of noobs coming there to rant a littrle after being ganked. Do you like inflicting pain on yourself? At first, obviously because I had a lot to learn myself and was interested in whatever might be discussed there. With time it became about me trying to help others better understand what the game is about, how it all works, and contribute to people wanting to do AG to actually learn to fight the gankers _in game_ instead of whining. I wasn’t inflicting pain on myself. I had quite a few gankers convo me over the years wondering that too and asking why did I keep trying to educate people that was unable/unwilling to understand. My reply was always that I didn’t care about those ones, but rather about the _others_ that might be there actually willing to learn and that would be left with all the crap that used to be there if I didn’t do that. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > you did admit to Ast that you were angry with some people. Don’t know what you’re talking about now, but anyway, I’m of course angry with some people sometimes, you being a good example, but that doesn’t change anything I said. What I’m saying is that I do still behave calmly and rationally when I’m angry… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Then why were you in the Ag chat channel when most of them were like that? Because of the ones that weren’t, of course. And because not everything is black and white, there is grey too. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > You don’t accept the damage that you did. I do accept and am proud of having damaged much of the toxicity that was there. That was intended. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > you always started to get insulting as soon as they got defensive I guess that would depend on what you consider “defensive” and “insulting”. If you mean I would tell them they were clueless or didn’t know what they were talking about when, after having already explained why their presence there made no difference to the outcome of the gank, they would still claim otherwise and that I had to be a ganker alt to say that, then yes, I was “insulting” like that. If you mean something else, then you’ll have to explain better what it is exactly that you mean… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Gankers get annoyed at people getting killmails on them with Concord, I have seen many ranting at it, no idea why, so it has value, there was also bounty too. There are many reasons to do it, most notably for fun. Again, I’ve always said there is nothing wrong with doing it for whatever reason one wants to do it, as long as one understands what’s really happening and doesn’t believe things that are false… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I saw you do it multiple times. You saw this… you saw that… You never provide any evidence of anything, just pretend we should take your word for it, which we already know how much it’s worth… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > See, you did do it for that, forum losers play the RU mad card… Man, if you’re trying to discourage me or anyone from pointing out symptoms that are objectively an indication that you _might_ have some issues, like not being able to understand sarcasm, by calling me a loser, it isn’t going to work. You’d be better off either checking whether there is an actual reason of concern there or at the very least work on correcting those symptoms instead… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/188 "2020-05-29T20:27:10Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > You’d be better off either checking whether there is an actual reason of concern there or at the very least work on correcting those symptoms instead… The one with issues are more likely to be those who make a habit of declaring anyone who disagrees with them as mentally ill. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/189 "2020-05-29T21:16:20Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > By the very nature of their prey if we cannot be there for 100% of their play time, then they can win big time, I refer you to the DST I linked above and will link it here for good order. Again, what’s your point? If you are not there 100% of the time why should you expect to be able to shut them down completely? ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461/190 "2020-05-29T21:17:52Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > just sitting around doing nothing in game for long periods. If you think that this is easy to do then think again. Doing nothing is difficult now? What has become of the world. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/uedama-anti-gank/243461.md?page=10)