# Unable to join FW faction due to reputation even though I have the points! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Issues\ **Tags:** pve, pvp\ **Created:** [October 12, 2024, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unable-to-join-fw-faction-due-to-reputation-even-though-i-have-the-points/464280 "2024-10-12T12:59:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Anselm\_haut\_Rodric](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anselm_haut_rodric/32/510831_2.png) [@Anselm\_haut\_Rodric](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anselm_haut_Rodric)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unable-to-join-fw-faction-due-to-reputation-even-though-i-have-the-points/464280/1 "2024-10-12T12:59:04Z")
About reputation and pirate factions. I have been trying to join Angel Cartel. The recruitment page talls me I need “-2.0” or above, my rep with angels right now is -0.80. Is that not above -2.0? Shouldn’t I be allowed to join? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unable-to-join-fw-faction-due-to-reputation-even-though-i-have-the-points/464280/2 "2024-10-12T13:00:42Z")
Are you looking at base standings, or is that with skills applied? Skills don’t apply to FW so your standings page should have a base standing and an effective standing. Hover over your standing for angel cartel to see your base/effective ---
**Author:** ![Anselm\_haut\_Rodric](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anselm_haut_rodric/32/510831_2.png) [@Anselm\_haut\_Rodric](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anselm_haut_Rodric)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unable-to-join-fw-faction-due-to-reputation-even-though-i-have-the-points/464280/3 "2024-10-12T13:01:34Z")
I assume skills applied? how do I tell the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unable-to-join-fw-faction-due-to-reputation-even-though-i-have-the-points/464280/4 "2024-10-12T13:05:08Z")
Hover over your standings. Now what you can do if your standings are bad, is to run the epic arc for angels But you have a process to be able to do that ---
**Author:** ![Anselm\_haut\_Rodric](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anselm_haut_rodric/32/510831_2.png) [@Anselm\_haut\_Rodric](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anselm_haut_Rodric)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unable-to-join-fw-faction-due-to-reputation-even-though-i-have-the-points/464280/5 "2024-10-12T13:06:24Z")
OK, I see that but it won’t let me run the epic arc ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unable-to-join-fw-faction-due-to-reputation-even-though-i-have-the-points/464280/6 "2024-10-12T13:09:04Z")
Thats where i said theres a process. You need 3.00 effective with either amarrr navy or domination to access the arc. Or you can pay a standings service to raise amarr navy for you so you can run the arc If your connections skill is at 5, it wont take but a few hours running missions to get to 3.00 with amarr navy ---
**Author:** ![Anselm\_haut\_Rodric](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anselm_haut_rodric/32/510831_2.png) [@Anselm\_haut\_Rodric](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anselm_haut_Rodric)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unable-to-join-fw-faction-due-to-reputation-even-though-i-have-the-points/464280/7 "2024-10-12T13:10:28Z")
What’s the standings service process? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unable-to-join-fw-faction-due-to-reputation-even-though-i-have-the-points/464280/8 "2024-10-12T13:12:05Z")
Basically you pay us, set up a fleet, and we share standings in missions. We can sell the arc as well and split the standings, but its pricier. Let me get our link for you > [@chart\_increasing We Raise NPC Standings: Lower Broker/Relist Fees ★ Access Epic Arcs + Mission/R&D Agents ★ And More!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/we-raise-npc-standings-lower-broker-relist-fees-access-epic-arcs-mission-r-d-agents-and-more/21688): > > New Eden’s Premier Standing Service Provider Accept no imitations - Going strong in 16th consecutive year of business [Standings Mechanics EUNI Syllabus](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Standings_and_Standing_Mechanics) ---- [Merchant Monarchy Blogpost About us](http://merchantmonarchy.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/grinding-eve-standings-standings.html)[See also my Trusted Third Party/Escrow/Transaction Security Service](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/imiarr-timshae-trusted-third-3rd-party-escrow-secure-transaction-service/364146) Borgdude wrote: “So seek out Imiarr Timshae for all your problems with agent standings you won’t regret it!!” Hi, I’m Imiarr and I’ve been selling standings in Eve since 2009, old forum thread: [https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/…](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/topic/41506/) Our discord link is here. Come chat with us ---
**Author:** ![Anselm\_haut\_Rodric](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anselm_haut_rodric/32/510831_2.png) [@Anselm\_haut\_Rodric](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anselm_haut_Rodric)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unable-to-join-fw-faction-due-to-reputation-even-though-i-have-the-points/464280/9 "2024-10-12T13:14:30Z")
before I do that give me an idea of the cost. My amarr standings right now are 0.0 base. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2024, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unable-to-join-fw-faction-due-to-reputation-even-though-i-have-the-points/464280/10 "2024-10-12T13:17:29Z")
Depending on your connections skill, between 540 mil or 1.4 bil. Selling an arc is 1.8 bil ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unable-to-join-fw-faction-due-to-reputation-even-though-i-have-the-points/464280/11 "2025-01-10T13:17:51Z")
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