# Understanding and Dealing with Ganks and Gankers **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [July 17, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273 "2021-07-17T17:22:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![morfiouse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morfiouse/32/281278_2.png) [@morfiouse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/morfiouse)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/207 "2021-07-18T21:15:04Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > It’s like they actually want people to get ganked. Hence my comment about the pop-up warning jumping into low sec, you’re literally sitting there for 2 seconds or more at 0 on a gate getting rid of a popup window, more than enough time to initiate a combat timer and alpha pop most things. ---
**Author:** ![Gonzalez\_Alvajero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gonzalez_alvajero/32/477920_2.png) [@Gonzalez\_Alvajero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gonzalez_Alvajero)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/208 "2021-07-18T21:15:25Z")
I think you rather create a role-playing atmosphere, with this minerbumping bulls hit, it’s rather a joke and people can laugh on your blog posts, screenshots and yes some people can’t split what is the game and what is the reality, because this game sucks their mind and they mix the virtual and pure reality. The topic opener speak about this when mentioned griefing. EVE Online shows similarity with the real world, so people may show same emotions as in the real world. If they forget, it’s still only a game. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/209 "2021-07-18T22:00:34Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > No they’re not permanent. They can easily raise their security status and continue their ganking free and clear. Having a sec status of -10 is a badge of honour for outlaws, so they are permanent by choice. The only ones this proposal would affect are the tornado gankers that alpha blockade runners, etc.; and they’d just extract the skills from one character and inject them into the next. So “permanent” by mechanics would have no effect, because new characters with needed skills are so easy to create now. ---
**Author:** ![morfiouse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morfiouse/32/281278_2.png) [@morfiouse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/morfiouse)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/210 "2021-07-18T22:20:57Z")
Here’s the thing, you are trying to apply morals to a game that is devoid of them. And you’re asking them to do it in an overly complex way. Literally all you need is a line of code that prevents the safety setting from being set to red in above 0.4 sec. Job done. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/211 "2021-07-18T22:26:24Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > See this is where you go off the tracks once again. Get this through your head, I’m not trying to protect anybody, what I’d like to see is consequences for actions taken in this game to actually be meaningful. Your idea of “meaningful” is a level of permanence that can’t ever be cleared from a character. There are currently no consequences of this sort for _anything_ in the game. You’re asking, essentially, to make a character that performed even a small amount of ganks to be rendered completely unusable for anything else ever again. Once again, no such consequence exists in the game for _anything_. Even ruining your standings, as I’m sure you’re well-aware, has a path to recovery, even if it’s a slow and difficult one. If you want this kind of drastic change to be implemented to the game, you’ll have to actually _justify_ it, instead of merely talking about how you _want_ it. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Heh, if you go around posting outright lies about another player you’ll eventually be called out on it by CCP, especially if it adversely affects that players ability to play the game as they normally would. Nope. There’s a difference between a misconception and a lie. That’s why I politely offered you the opportunity to clarify your viewpoint, instead of insisting on my viewpoint despite your protests. Once again, CCP would read this interaction, and you’d be the one who gets screwed by it due to the way you’ve been responding in this thread. And nothing anyone has said here adversely affects your ability to play the game. There’s no secret Gestapo that follows you around across space and punishes you based on your forum posting. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Ant that’s why I don’t like interacting with you. I’m not here to provide you with content Content is this case means substance, and not entertainment. Your posts have no substance, no explanations, no justifications, nothing. Usually just a statement of desire, and insults aimed against anyone who disagrees. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > nor waste my time scrolling through a thread to post a bunch of quotes in some BS debate when you’ve already edited your replies multiple times I only edit my posts for typos or to add additional quotes. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Engaging with you here is an exercise in futility Not at all. I’ve provided you with many (undue) opportunities to express yourself, and all you’ve done is pretended to be a victim and lashed out at people. Here’s a tip: look at the conversation here, in isolation, from the perspective of a neutral third party. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/213 "2021-07-18T23:38:10Z")
Ridley, please stop mental health shaming. It’s a violation of the EULA. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/214 "2021-07-18T23:43:01Z")
It is getting to that point again. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/215 "2021-07-18T23:43:17Z")
> [@morfiouse](#): > > Here’s the thing, you are trying to apply morals to a game that is devoid of them. You are trying to 100 percent divorce the game from real life and it just can’t be done. Whether its practical decisions made by CCP considering the mental reality of its player base, parents of players, or even their own morality, some degree of morality is always going to touch this game, its just a question of what exactly. I cannot comment on if your assertion has merit because you did not give a quote, but you guys insisting there is zero morality applied to the game play are just plain wrong. There isn’t much compared to RL, but its there. Unfortunately some of it is not enforced enough and that is a part of the reason I created this thread. It certainly was not meant to be the troll entertainment it has become. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/216 "2021-07-18T23:44:13Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > @[Destiny Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted) > > Many have reached a point long ago where I feel some form of authorization from a mental health care professional should be required for them to post here anymore. > > How many times has DeMichael\_Crimson asked you to stop tagging him? What you are doing is a form of stalking. > > This on top of your other trolling of this thread. > > What is your major malfunction? Easy there, tag team champion. Once again, it’s perfectly allowable to address or respond to any other poster on the forum. This isn’t something out of which you’re able to opt out, and any requests to stop replying don’t have to be honored. That’s what the block button is for. Furthermore, I’ve performed exactly 0 trolling in your thread. Pretending to be offended via fake outrage isn’t going to work, least of all when it’s coming from _you_. All other posters here, and any mods who read your posts, will know them exactly for what they are: you trying to act offended and incredulous to garner pity and agreement (and to try to get the mods to punish me by acting like I’m victimizing you). ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/217 "2021-07-18T23:44:43Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Ridley, please stop mental health shaming. It’s a violation of the EULA. You have violated the EULA and requests to stop from the start in nearly every post you have here. Get wrekt. You got issues. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/218 "2021-07-18T23:48:12Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Once again, it’s perfectly allowable to address or respond to any other poster on the forum. You are stalking and harrassing. Those are not allowed. But you seem incapable of stopping. And the excuses you offer do not explain this. You could have responded in a way that quoted him yet didn’t tag him. And you know he won’t block you because he does not like having people like you defaming him with your malicious misinterpretations. There are other threads besides. And none of this is hurting you so you could just drop it. Zero trolling? I think even a demon straight from hell would have a little shame at this point. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/219 "2021-07-18T23:49:36Z")
Do you have drinking/drug problem? Sometimes you seem sane and then there’s now. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/220 "2021-07-18T23:50:19Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Do you have drinking/drug problem? No. I have a troll problem. (looks squarely at you). ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/221 "2021-07-18T23:50:32Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > You are stalking and harrassing. Those are not allowed. But you seem incapable of stopping. And the excuses you offer do not explain this. Nope, I am not. I can respond to every single post on the forums if I want to. It is my right, no matter how much you’ll try to protest it. It is **literally my right**. Do you understand this? I don’t need to make excuses for responding to posts - I can just **do** it. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/222 "2021-07-18T23:51:28Z")
As long as you reply to me, I can reply to you. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/223 "2021-07-18T23:52:40Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I can respond to every single post on the forums if I want to. It is my right, Stalking, harassment and trolling are all against the EULA. You might as well claim that you have the right to make death threats because of the freedom of speech. You seriously need a perma-ban. You are incapable of following the EULA. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/224 "2021-07-18T23:56:26Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > You seriously need a perma-ban. You are incapable of following the EULA. Block her and if you think there has been a breech of the EULA, then submit a report. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/225 "2021-07-18T23:58:27Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Stalking, harassment and trolling are all against the EULA. Once again, I am not stalking anyone. I am only responding to posts on a public forum. You can machinate as many false accusations as you want, but that doesn’t change this simple fact. I can respond to any post and any poster as I see fit, as long as I’m not saying something that is punishable under the rules of the forum. Feel free to confirm this with the mods and/or EVE support if you want to. > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > You might as well claim that you have the right to make death threats because of the freedom of speech. Responding to posts with detailed arguments is not the same thing as making death threats. The fact that you can’t differentiate between the two is highly concerning. > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > You seriously need a perma-ban. You are incapable of following the EULA. Feel free to quote the section of the EULA that I’m breaching. I will add this: everything you’ve done so far, which includes mental health shaming, false accusations of harassment and stalking, backseat moderation and false-flagging of valid posts, and troll-baiting with a thread that ties gameplay to real-life criminality under the guise of helping in-game gank victims, is just going to make the mods get rid of you if they ever actually read this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 11:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/226 "2021-07-18T23:59:15Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Next, don’t let anybody tell you that you and you alone are to blame for getting ganked, or even mostly to blame. … > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > (usually lone and unsuspecting) > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > some pilots know nothing about it and so are unprepared for it. Dude, you are giving mixed signals over there. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/227 "2021-07-19T00:01:16Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > if they ever actually read this thread. It’s summer there? Can’t remember what 2 wks they get. Aw man, please let this thd run a while? I get a chuckle outta this guy. 🍿 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273.md?page=12)