# Understanding and Dealing with Ganks and Gankers **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [July 17, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273 "2021-07-17T17:22:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/228 "2021-07-19T00:06:18Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Block her and if you think there has been a breech of the EULA, then submit a report. What a joke. The amount of care given to the forum is self-evident. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/229 "2021-07-19T00:07:36Z")
> [@Pan\_Dora1](#): > > Dude, you are giving mixed signals over there. Oh look. 8 minutes young troll has entered the chat. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/230 "2021-07-19T00:11:44Z")
Yes, Ridley, everyone who posts disagreement with you **has** to be a troll. There’s no other rational explanation (like them actually disagreeing with you). They’re just trolling you because you’re spreading the truth, and they don’t want that truth to be spread. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/231 "2021-07-19T00:13:46Z")
I agree with Destiny. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/232 "2021-07-19T00:28:49Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > don’t let anybody tell you that you and you alone are to blame for getting ganked, or even mostly to blame. That is false. The first to blame is the people who decided, among all the things to do in this sandbox game, to go around ganking people I think this is the root of the disagreement. Ridley espouses a victim mentality in which poor innocent miners are unfairly griefed by bullies, but the rest of us think maybe it’s a video game and the miners should probably be at their keyboard instead of AFK in another room. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/233 "2021-07-19T00:31:24Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > POST GANK SUPPORT Fine, I have to post? Ok: I support ganking! There you go. Happy? ---
**Author:** ![FORCY\_FUNTIMES\_MEATWATER](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forcy_funtimes_meatwater/32/423647_2.png) [@FORCY\_FUNTIMES\_MEATWATER](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FORCY_FUNTIMES_MEATWATER)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/234 "2021-07-19T00:31:54Z")
I also support ganking. It’s fun for everyone involved. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/235 "2021-07-19T00:38:46Z")
You said something in the past that I have respect for. I don’t agree with you most of the time but meh. Ridley uses words like a nest of snakes. I sadly can not find any respect for him. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/236 "2021-07-19T00:39:48Z")
Unfortunately, he gets tangled in his own words. He wants us to stay ON TOPIC, but the topic is: _Understanding and Dealing with Ganks and Gankers_ - so one theory is that you can understand and deal with gankers by talking to them, following instructions, and paying them to not gank you. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/237 "2021-07-19T00:42:21Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I think this is the root of the disagreement. > > Ridley espouses a victim mentality in which poor innocent miners are unfairly griefed by bullies, but the rest of us think maybe it’s a video game and the miners should probably be at their keyboard instead of AFK in another room. I don’t think we even need to look that deep at the gameplay meta - it’s more simple than that. His argument is that even though ganking is in the game, nobody should engage in that activity because it’s not moral by real-life standards. But CCP designed a game where ganking is possible because they _intended_ a certain amount of destruction to happen via that means, or else they would’ve never made ganking possible to begin with. This means that real-life morality has nothing to do with regard to this, as ganking is an intended, and in a way almost _required_ part of the game. His argument is akin to saying that no one should play as the murderer in a game of [Clue](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluedo) because murder is amoral in real life, and no one should pretend to be a murderer for that reason. Besides, there are lots of other things to do in that board game, such as rolling dice, reading cards, and playing with the miniature pieces. Murder is bad. It’s just…_absolutely asinine_. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/238 "2021-07-19T00:42:22Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > and paying them to not gank you. It doesn’t even have to go that far **if** your at your keyboard. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/239 "2021-07-19T00:45:32Z")
I’m glad you decided to POST ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/240 "2021-07-19T00:47:11Z")
I was playing monopoly and I got a monopoly on the railroads, and I didn’t think it was fair to the other players, so I nationalized the railroads and we agreed that all the money would go into a community pool for the construction of FREE housing. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/241 "2021-07-19T00:52:08Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/c/1/bc1a2ce875b3b54baf6beb49de4bbddd47b757d1.jpeg) > **[Order of the People's Hero](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_People's_Hero)** > > The Order of the People's Hero or the Order of the National Hero (Serbo-Croatian: Orden narodnog heroja / Oрден народног хероја; Slovene: Red narodnega heroja, Macedonian: Oрден на народен херој, romanized: Orden na naroden heroj), was a Yugoslav gallantry medal, the second highest military award, and third overall Yugoslav decoration. It was awarded to individuals, military units, political and other organisations who distinguished themselves by extraordinary heroic deeds durin In 1998, the Fede... ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/242 "2021-07-19T00:52:14Z")
I’ve never found reason to disagree with you mainly because you always seem to be having fun I suppose. I’m somewhat disagreeable lately, I don’t know why exactly, but it’s like my normal sense of optimism is broken. I’ve noticed a number of things lately that I have said that I don’t agree with and don’t remember if I was kidding or just being irritable. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/243 "2021-07-19T01:03:24Z")
It’s the game that’s making us cranky. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/244 "2021-07-19T01:07:35Z")
I have some actual advice for new people specifically who have been ganked. Don’t let it get to you, talk to the person or people who ganked you, and be polite about it. This is a game, they don’t hate you and are just having fun in a way you likely haven’t tried yet. Ask, as numerous others have suggested in this thread, what if anything you did wrong or could do differently. If you truly want to learn Eve quickly, ask to join them. This isn’t meant in the “if you can’t beat them, join them” sense at all, it just a great way to learn a lot about PvP which is the very foundation of the game you are playing. With five accounts I have been killed countless times, I have tried to talk to all of the people who have killed me and only two or three were rude. With a few we ran into insurmountable language barriers (and that’s after taking the time to try to do translations) the rest all responded cheerfully, and some are now very good friends. The primary thing though is don’t give up and always try to learn from your mistakes. ---
**Author:** ![Von\_DeMoreno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/von_demoreno/32/491525_2.png) [@Von\_DeMoreno](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Von_DeMoreno)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/245 "2021-07-19T01:15:54Z")
As a miner, I dislike AFK players. If and when I have the capability, I’ll gladly bump an AFK player off the field. Part of playing the game is being present for it. If you aren’t willing to play the game but you’re on the field, you deserve what you get. Since I’ve come to this conclusion, I understand gankers a bit more. I dislike being ganked, but they play by the rules of the game, catch me fairly, and I deserve what I get for being caught. The solution to avoiding gankers, it would seem, is to “git gud,” as the saying goes. I don’t like the often dismissive mockery such a phrase implies, but it holds true: if you want to avoid getting ganked, you have to get good at avoiding ganks, and learn how to fight them off. Yes, as a miner I currently mind my own business, and getting blapped is frustrating. I haven’t always responded well, and I’ve made myself a hat of my ass in how I’ve responded to some gankers. Bots aside, there’s a person on the other side of every player profile. We should treat them with respect that every person deserves by default. EVE is a competition, like basketball or football; it’s silly of a player to get upset at their opposition for playing the game. I’ve endeavored not to make an ass of myself when I get ganked. Some gankers can be quite helpful if you open up a chat, congratulate them on their kill, and earnestly seek to learn from them. They’re not all horrible people. Of course, just like there are pathetic miners, there are pathetic gankers. There are bullies in both groups, and they diminish the game. We could do without those players, but they exist in every game. And bots. We could do without them, too. As for the gankers, if I’ve been rude to you, I apologize, and I hope you’ll see I’ve matured. I may not like that you’ve ganked me, but going forward, I hope we can have a dialog and learn from one another, in a cooperative effort to enjoy the game in our respective ways. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/246 "2021-07-19T01:18:05Z")
Heh, didn’t even bother reading the majority of replies posted to me here because quite frankly I don’t care what they say. Also to the person of the alts that flagged my reply about the lying pudknocker: I salute you… 🖕 ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/247 "2021-07-19T01:26:43Z")
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