# Understanding and Dealing with Ganks and Gankers **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [July 17, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273 "2021-07-17T17:22:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Soltis\_Legate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soltis_legate/32/281238_2.png) [@Soltis\_Legate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Soltis_Legate)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/248 "2021-07-19T01:27:59Z")
Interesting thread. Says so much about EVE community as a whole. > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > This post and thread have 2 purposes Thank you for the thread. o7 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/249 "2021-07-19T01:34:10Z")
You should read this top to bottom. My walls of text are there. [What do you miss about Eve that is now gone? - Communications Center / General Discussion - EVE Online Forums](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/what-do-you-miss-about-eve-that-is-now-gone/157755) ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/250 "2021-07-19T01:34:34Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The zeitgeist of the game doesn’t treat any sort of player conflict in lawless areas of space as “non-consensual PvP.” nah. It is just that the the “non-consensual” qualification is superfluous and redundant if just by buying some ammo you can find yourself in the receiving end of “non-consensual PvP” Some people say that the “I consent” button is mislabeled “Undock”, others say consent is given when you log into the game, truth is that we just firgured out is inevitable. …well, most of us, it seems. ---
**Author:** ![Natalie\_Patrovita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natalie_patrovita/32/253528_2.png) [@Natalie\_Patrovita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natalie_Patrovita)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 3:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/251 "2021-07-19T03:21:47Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Mainly to support gank victims in the aftermath of getting ganked, with positive input and advice > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Secondarily to be a guide for new pilots so they understand ganking enough before experiencing it, or better yet, avoid it Good thread, thank you @Ridley_Rohan To those others who pissed all over this thread and told lies about @DeMichael_Crimson… You are disgusting individuals, that’s all there is to say about you. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/252 "2021-07-19T03:44:01Z")
> [@Pan\_Dora1](#): > > nah. It is just that the the “non-consensual” qualification is superfluous and redundant if just by buying some ammo you can find yourself in the receiving end of “non-consensual PvP” > Some people say that the “I consent” button is mislabeled “Undock”, others say consent is given when you log into the game, truth is that we just firgured out is inevitable. > …well, most of us, it seems. I agree, but the people who aren’t able to reconcile the fact that there are games out there in which players can fight each other in an environment that’s not a timed, team-based match need this concept broken down into bite-sized chunks for mental processing. They’re not bad people, or stupid people; the concept is simply too foreign for them to understand right away. So we need all these well-defined terms to explain the game to them, because otherwise, they will interpret the game for something else entirely. I see this almost every day, and not just in EVE. In the survival games I play, the aim is **literally** to scavenge for loot, and either to avoid/escape from other players, or kill them and take what’s theirs in order to continue surviving yourself. And yet sometimes there are people who, upon dying, will start yelling and crying about “griefers” and “PKers” in the chat, and talking about how all they wanted to do was collect items, etc. etc. And then they need to be explained to that the person who killed them **doesn’t know their intentions** because all they see is another player with a gun pointed in their direction. They will claim that they were “friendly,” and then need to be explained that people will pretend to be friendly and then shoot you in the back the second you turn away. They just **refuse** to understand the point of the game they’re playing. They even do this after coming into the PvP servers of games that have both PvP and PvE servers. It’s nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 5:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/253 "2021-07-19T05:01:13Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Oh look. 8 minutes young troll has entered the chat. Ridley, go talk with someone that want to help you, like a friend or a therapist¨\*, not with those that just posted the comment that triggered your emotional disarrangement . At least not until you are in full control of your emotions. \*strongly advise against a corp mate. A look at your corp description/stats got me depressed. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/254 "2021-07-19T06:14:45Z")
I think Ridley should just talk to me. He would feel a lot better if he dunked a few Ventures, maybe even sold them a mining permit, and shot them again. If he keeps going, someday he might even catch a mining Gnosis, and I can just imagine the big goofy smile on his face. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 7:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/255 "2021-07-19T07:15:22Z")
Why don’t we start two new post , one for ganking and the other for anti-ganking, just 2 informative post that can give all the pros and cons of the two play styles, like this post started out to be . If each side then promises not to troll each others post , you can only counter a comment in your own thread if you so desire. You can then post all the propaganda and bull for you side you want. I’m sure there are players out there that want to be gankers too just like we have new player join us but each side often derails each sides post . Take a look at this thread mostly gankers derail attempts, maybe because they think op is wrong or just trolling . What ever the reason it’s hard to find out any facts that are useful. So how about a truce on just two new post ,one for and one against ganking . ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/256 "2021-07-19T07:20:04Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > If each side then promises not to troll each others post , you can only counter a comment in your own thread if you so desire. Trolls are nothing without decent people to troll, and so, you can expect no promise to be kept or even made. > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > You can then post all the propaganda and bull for you side you want. The trouble here is that they will disparage other posters with outrageous lies and there will be no defense. It will be hyperfrustrating for those who care about anything…anything at all. Trolls don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/257 "2021-07-19T07:21:45Z")
will I not keep my promise? check me… ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/258 "2021-07-19T07:23:16Z")
Maybe I expect too much then ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/259 "2021-07-19T07:24:20Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > So how about a truce on just two new post ,one for and one against ganking . Both threads would just became the same discussion twice really, because people would post opinions that others disagree with, and no matter the thread, the discussions will end up as a back and forth, going around the same arguments. It’s been the same for years. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/260 "2021-07-19T07:40:04Z")
Maybe your right , my expectations are way to high I expect, which really adds truth to the fact that 90% of people posting for ganking are lying and trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/261 "2021-07-19T07:46:00Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > my expectations are way too high We’re talking about eve forum regulars here. Do you just expect them to agree to disagree and move on with their lives? ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/262 "2021-07-19T07:50:24Z")
It’s only one thread that they don’t post in and they can make unlimited anti what ever threats they want . 🙄🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/263 "2021-07-19T07:51:35Z")
If Githany Red agrees to come ganking for a day with me, then I will come antigank with her. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/264 "2021-07-19T08:00:31Z")
Feels like I just won a prize ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 8:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/265 "2021-07-19T08:01:04Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > It’s only one thread that they don’t post in Unfortunately, even keeping the two groups isolated does not result in neutral threads. The bias is still going to shine through (this thread is an example). People, for some reason, become really emotional when it comes to ganking even when it’s just playing the game according to it’s rules. Hopefully, newbies are able to just research the underlying game mechanics themselves and make a judgement whether they would enjoy the gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/266 "2021-07-19T08:02:28Z")
Indeed that’s why the pirate princess has a blog I supposed ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/267 "2021-07-19T08:06:50Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Maybe your right , my expectations are why to high I expect Unrealistic more than high. No one here, regular or just occasional poster, has any obligation to stick to anything other than the forum rules (and we all frequently don’t do that very well). We’re each free to decide for ourselves what’s important and what’s right or wrong; and to respond accordingly. So trying to set an additional rule/agreement/expectation is always doomed to failure, not because you are wrong, or because anyone else is; but because we all have our own standards and perspectives. > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > which really adds truth to the fact that 90% of people posting for ganking are lying and trolling. That might be an opinion, coming from a different bias to those in support of ganking, but it certainly isn’t a fact. It’s as equally true as to replace ‘for’ with ‘against’ and it’s truth is worth just as much. Nothing. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273.md?page=14)