# Understanding and Dealing with Ganks and Gankers **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [July 17, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273 "2021-07-17T17:22:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/63 "2021-07-18T04:12:46Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > don’t put on the line what you can’t replace when undocking. That is even better advice than the oft quoted and not very clear: “Don’t fly what you can’t afford”. Your way is much more clear and reflecting of practical sense. I would add only one caveat: If you are planning for a playstyle change anyway, even the loss of an expensive ship might be worth some certain content. ---
**Author:** ![Violet\_Crumble](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/violet_crumble/32/281229_2.png) [@Violet\_Crumble](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Violet_Crumble)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/64 "2021-07-18T04:13:13Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > The trouble is that you have an issue with genuine post gank support. No I don’t. You actually wrote that the second aim was about pre-gank advice: > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > understand ganking enough before experiencing it, or better yet, avoid it. Hence, my post above, that the first few posts read as a whine about gankers and fall completely flat in relation to the second aim that you actually wrote for the thread. I don’t have any issue with post-gank advice, but even with that, your posts read mainly as a whine about gankers, more than just offering advice to ganked players. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/65 "2021-07-18T04:18:10Z")
What this thread is for: Helping people who have suffered ganks, and helping people avoid ganks, with positive advice. What this thread isn’t for: Bashing people with negative criticism or arguing bitterly about your personal opinions. There are other threads for that and I post there too. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/66 "2021-07-18T04:18:52Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Bashing people with negative criticism or arguing bitterly about your personal opinions. Why not? That’s all you do. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/67 "2021-07-18T04:22:11Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > I would add only one caveat: If you are planning for a playstyle change anyway, even the loss of an expensive ship might be worth some certain content. It’s more the mindset, appealing to common sense. I often undock and travel with stuff I don’t want to get lost, but if it happens I won’t need to go back Venture mining. EvE requires money management. If you don’t need to care about a potential loss, you free up your mind to have fun. Fear of loss is always a way to the dark side. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/68 "2021-07-18T04:24:27Z")
Don’t make yourself a valuable target… /thread ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/69 "2021-07-18T04:29:54Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > What this thread isn’t for: Bashing people with negative criticism Really? Just a few select quotes: > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > some gankers the PRIMARY motive for ganking is to cause you grief > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > cause you MORE grief is a positive delight for them > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > for some gankers it is just a secondary motive > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > They know how to grief you, they often grief you in gangs > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > The more you express your grief, the more they will laugh > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > if some gankers are not griefers at all is something I will leave for others to decide on their own > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > They will never change and remorse is not in their vocabulary. Don’t feed those trolls. > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > misunderstanding benefits the gankers > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > gankers are active in maintaining the confusion > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > motives for miner ganking range from pure griefing (with ridiculous excuses made to cover the fact) > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > hi-sec suicide gankers value next to nothing > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Many if not most HAVE next to nothing of value to anybody aside from raw ISK Seems like a lot of bashing really. Your message would have been more useful without them. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/70 "2021-07-18T04:32:38Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Seems like a lot of bashing really. Why? Because you felt personally attacked even though you were not named??? All those were negative FACTS about SOME gankers. I bashed no one. But there you are taking it as a personal slight against you. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/71 "2021-07-18T04:33:43Z")
I don’t think ganking is griefing, and I think CCP agrees with me. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/72 "2021-07-18T04:35:02Z")
I think you like to shot at strawmen you build, and even you agree with me. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/73 "2021-07-18T04:35:36Z")
Ridley reminds me of a certain country that is now trying to be a dominate world power without the backup to pull it off. Are you one of it’s agents? EVE seems a poor choice for your efforts… ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/74 "2021-07-18T04:38:12Z")
The effort to derail this thread is as obvious as are the people doing it. The reason is also obvious: they want gank victims to be griefed as much as possible, with no support, because they are griefers as well as trolls. And though I have named no one, watch as they own that too with more troll responses. Edit: Yup. They tripped over themselves to own it all! The griefer subset of gankers and ganker supporters just cannot help themselves. See below. They drop strawman arguments like anti-missile chaff. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/75 "2021-07-18T04:39:23Z")
Seriously though, how is ganking griefing? We are just playing a PvP video game, and shooting targets. Do you go to the PUBG forums and cry about griefers? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/76 "2021-07-18T04:40:29Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > The reason is also obvious: they want gank victims to be griefed as much as possible, because they are griefers as well as trolls. Most of us are not gankers, you lump us all together because you have no other defense. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/77 "2021-07-18T04:42:43Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > And though I have named no one, watch as they own that too with more troll responses. There you go with your intellectual dishonesty again. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/78 "2021-07-18T04:45:48Z")
Ridley, why do you think ganking is griefing? It’s just gameplay. That’s like saying someone is “griefing” during a chess match, because they are capturing pawns. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/79 "2021-07-18T04:50:24Z")
If victims didn’t define non-consensual PvP as griefing, they wouldn’t have a platform for removing it. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/80 "2021-07-18T04:51:44Z")
So you think this is some kind of faux manufactured moral outrage virtue signalling? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/81 "2021-07-18T04:53:12Z")
[The Offspring - You’re Gonna Go Far, Kid (Official Music Video) - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql9-82oV2JE) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/82 "2021-07-18T04:56:35Z")
Probably more like survival instinct, and they’re fighting back the only way they are able to with their limited understanding and skill sets. I don’t think most of them are able to think that far ahead in order to “virtue-signal,” and are in fact not truly concerned with matters of morality - their goals are usually immediate, and consist solely of feeding. The people who _do_ think ahead and _do_ virtue-signal are like the prolific anti-PvP whiners on the forum (e.g. Brohan, Dracvlad, DMC, Noori, a couple of others). They have the understanding and skill sets to survive, but are upset by the existence of non-consensual PvP on an existential level, and are using non-consensual PvP victims as ammunition in their war to push their agenda - they don’t actually _care_ about these people, but pretend to do so in order to get what _they_ want. I’ve said this before in other threads already. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273.md?page=5)