# Understanding and Dealing with Ganks and Gankers **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [July 17, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273 "2021-07-17T17:22:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/83 "2021-07-18T05:03:15Z")
Oh, that would explain why it appears Renly Ridley is just lashing out randomly. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 5:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/84 "2021-07-18T05:04:43Z")
I didn’t catch where DMC would fit in, but that’s just me The others I don’t know well enough. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/85 "2021-07-18T05:13:57Z")
He’s on record saying that non-consensual PvP needs to be removed from the game. There are a few other regulars who think that way too, but I’m not going to make a detailed list (might be against forum rules). DMC clarified that he’s **not** against non-consensual PvP in posts below. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 5:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/86 "2021-07-18T05:20:17Z")
That may be true. But he’s done more for the game than I have. Can you say the same? [FACTION STANDING REPAIR PLAN aka ‘The Plan’ - PvE Gameplay Center / Missions - EVE Online Forums](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-standing-repair-plan-aka-the-plan/8008) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 5:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/87 "2021-07-18T05:23:17Z")
Just because someone does useful things, doesn’t mean that they’re precluded from doing bad things or holding damaging beliefs. Plenty of tyrants have built roads and hospitals for their countries. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/88 "2021-07-18T05:28:14Z")
Unfortunately very true. I’m for ganking myself, so I guess I’m just as guilty? But neither of us seem to practice it anymore. A guess on my part about him. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/90 "2021-07-18T05:59:35Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > And also no, that miserable little punkass of a pubie can’t say anything like that. Unless you count lying and constantly spewing toxic waste all over these forums… But how am I any better? Trust me, I have my own agenda just like everyone else. I like you both. That being said does not mean I have to agree with all either of you say. I just respect the different points of view. How else could I learn? Hate each other if you must. But don’t let it get the better of either of you for the betterment of the game. CCP needs all our help, whether we like each other or not. Gawd, at least nether of you are Ridley’s. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/91 "2021-07-18T06:00:32Z")
Nah, I straight-up asked you some time ago if your desire is to remove non-consensual PvP from the game, and your response was along the lines of “yes, so what of it?” I did a search, but can’t find it, mainly because something like 95% of our interactions get deleted (like for example your reply above would be if a mod notices it). Would you like to go on record saying that you do _not_ want non-consensual PvP to be removed from the game? That would certainly clear some things up. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/92 "2021-07-18T06:02:41Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Hate each other if you must. But don’t let it get the better of either of you for the betterment of the game. Here’s the thing: I don’t hate _anyone_. That doesn’t mean I would call everyone a friend, but I definitely don’t _hate_ people. > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > CCP needs all our help, whether we like each other or not. CCP might be beyond help at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/93 "2021-07-18T06:03:56Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > because something like 95% of our interactions get deleted Because you lack the sense to post on-topic in the appropriate effing threads. Wake the hell up. Regardless, who the hell believes you got anybody else’s story straight? You directly accuse people of saying things they didn’t even immediately AFTER they posted their opinion on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/94 "2021-07-18T06:06:18Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > You directly accuse people of saying things they didn’t even immediately AFTER they posted their opinion on the matter. Such as? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/95 "2021-07-18T06:07:50Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > CCP might be beyond help at this point. 🤣 Any more Ridley’s in game and might just be true… 😢 ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/96 "2021-07-18T06:09:25Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I straight-up asked you some time ago if your desire is to remove non-consensual PvP from the game, and your response was along the lines of “yes, so what of it?” I did a search, but can’t find it Because it only happened in your dreams. Also just for the record, non-consensual PvP can happen anywhere in Eve. What’s funny is how you constantly keep trying to make that phrase pertain to just High Sec Suicide ganking which is completely different compared to attacking another ship in Low Sec, Null Sec or W-hole space. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/97 "2021-07-18T06:10:46Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Such as? Such as when I said in the middle of this thread that you take things personally you say: > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Don’t post on public forums if you don’t want to deal with disagreement. Others in this thread have expressed disagreement and I gave them likes or courteous replies. Its all here. There is something seriously wrong with you. I don’t claim to know what it is, I just wish you could find the right thread for it. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/98 "2021-07-18T06:10:51Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > High Sec Suicide ganking which is completely different compared to attacking another ship in Low Sec, Null Sec or W-hole space. There is a **big** difference to me at least. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/99 "2021-07-18T06:14:19Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > What’s funny is how you constantly keep trying to make that phrase pertain to just High Sec Suicide ganking which is completely different compared to attacking another ship in Low Sec, Null Sec or W-hole space. Yup. On the postive side though she reminded me to add that screed to my third post here on other points…its point g. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/100 "2021-07-18T06:15:30Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Also just for the record, non-consensual PvP can happen anywhere in Eve. What’s funny is how you constantly keep trying to make that phrase pertain to just High Sec Suicide ganking which is completely different compared to attacking another ship in Low Sec, Null Sec or W-hole space. The zeitgeist of the game doesn’t treat any sort of player conflict in lawless areas of space as “non-consensual PvP.” Doing so would essentially mean that _all_ PvP is “non-consensual” because no one goes out into space with the express goal of losing their ship (with a few very specific exceptions, like suicide-ganking, or going on a suicide roam). Do you think that parties to a fleet battle in null-sec would hit the “I consent” button with regard to losing their capital ships, if they could have the option of opting out? People rarely _volunteer_ their own destruction. No, non-consensual PvP is generally a concept only where people have the assumption/illusion of guaranteed safety. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/101 "2021-07-18T06:17:12Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Doing so would essentially mean that _all_ PvP is “non-consensual” because no one goes out into space with the express goal of losing their ship (with a few very specific exceptions, like suicide-ganking, Wow. Now she says PVP is automatic lost ships. Holy deficiency Batman. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/102 "2021-07-18T06:17:27Z")
He/She/It is a liar and a troll, constantly posting insulting innuendos just to trigger a forum flame war. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/103 "2021-07-18T06:20:13Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > non-consensual PvP is generally a concept only where people have the assumption/illusion of guaranteed safety. I still have to agree with this. Just cause I don’t do it anymore does not make me less guilty when I did. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273.md?page=6)