# Understanding and Dealing with Ganks and Gankers **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [July 17, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273 "2021-07-17T17:22:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/104 "2021-07-18T06:23:02Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > I still have to agree with this. Cool. Now if we could just get you to stop siding with her lies that I am anti-ganking when I say what I really want most is things like pop ups at undock to remind people that all of EVE is a PVP area, including hi sec suicide ganking. But no no. She keeps lying, and you keep siding with her. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/105 "2021-07-18T06:23:54Z")
All you want is easy gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/106 "2021-07-18T06:24:43Z")
That’s insane…on various levels. You can’t read my mind. You can’t even read my posts properly. Get outta town. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/107 "2021-07-18T06:25:58Z")
More insults? Still the hypocrite… ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/108 "2021-07-18T06:26:39Z")
I said your claim was insane. Not you. But if you want to make it you, you go right ahead. See. You CAN`T read my posts properly. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/109 "2021-07-18T06:28:00Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The zeitgeist of the game doesn’t treat any sort of player conflict in lawless areas of space as “non-consensual PvP.” Doing so would essentially mean that _all_ PvP is “non-consensual” because no one goes out into space with the express goal of losing their ship (with a few very specific exceptions, like suicide-ganking, or going on a suicide roam). Do you think that parties to a fleet battle in null-sec would hit the “I consent” button with regard to losing their capital ships, if they could have the option of opting out? People rarely _volunteer_ their own destruction. > > No, non-consensual PvP is generally a concept only where people have the assumption/illusion of guaranteed safety. What a load of hogwash. Again twisting things around in some demented way in an attempt to justify High Sec Suicide Ganking as the only form of non-consensual PvP. People in a Battle Fleet in Low, Null or W-hole space have already consented to being attacked and even expect to lose their ships. Explorers, Miners, Haulers and Tourists that get caught, attacked and destroyed in Low, Null or W-hole space who aren’t War-Targets are also victims of non-consensual PvP. Now please stop trying to make it out that High Sec Suicide Ganking is the only form of non-consensual PvP. And more importantly, stop spreading your BS lies about me saying that I’m a supporter for removing non-consensual PvP from the game. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/110 "2021-07-18T06:28:48Z")
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/111 "2021-07-18T06:30:15Z")
Its that sort of disjointed, random reply that makes it seem you are an unintentional troll. Regarless, you should be put out to pasture. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/112 "2021-07-18T06:31:42Z")
That’s all you have? Lame even by your low standards? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/113 "2021-07-18T06:33:49Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > non-consensual PvP is generally a concept only where people have the assumption/illusion of guaranteed safety. > > I still have to agree with this. Just cause I don’t do it anymore does not make me less guilty when I did. I disagree, most players traveling in Low, Null or W-hole space don’t have an assumption or illusion of guaranteed safety. If they’re not a War-Target and get attacked and destroyed, then they are also victims of non-consensual PvP… unless they’re actively looking for a fight. Anyway, those who travel in those sectors that aren’t actually looking for a fight and end up getting caught / destroyed, well that’s too bad for them. That’s the risk they took for being in those sectors. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/114 "2021-07-18T06:44:23Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Anyway, those who travel in those sectors that aren’t actually looking for a fight and end up getting caught / destroyed, well that’s too bad for them. That’s the risk they took for being in those sectors. And I wholeheartedly agree. Like I said, I’m all for ganking. I guess my point would be while in the wh, I felt is was my responsibility to at least try to help them to learn after killing them? In high sec, that doesn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/115 "2021-07-18T06:45:40Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > And more importantly, stop spreading your BS lies about me saying that I’m a supporter for removing non-consensual PvP from the game. All you had to do was say that it’s a misquote, and that you’re not actually against it. Now I can remove your name from my prior post. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Anyway, those who travel in those sectors that aren’t actually looking for a fight and end up getting caught / destroyed, well that’s too bad for them. That’s the risk they took for being in those sectors. This is interesting. Are you saying that you’re fine with a rookie venturing out into low-sec and losing their barge or exploration frigate to pirates? What about 10-billion-ISK marauders or even more expensive freighters piloted by null-sec alts getting killed during suicide-ganks in high-sec? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/116 "2021-07-18T06:49:50Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Are you saying that you’re fine with a rookie venturing out into low-sec and losing their barge or exploration frigate to pirates? Pirates like me? How could I say no? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/117 "2021-07-18T06:51:12Z")
Interesting anecdote: if you read EVE reviews on Steam, there’s a _much_ higher incidence of people (new players who quit shortly after starting to play) complaining about getting killed in low-sec et cetera than there are people complaining about getting killed in high-sec. But even _more_ complain about getting killed by NPCs. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/118 "2021-07-18T06:53:13Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > But even _more_ complain about getting killed by NPCs. That is a good point. Only CCP seems to be able to help with that. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/119 "2021-07-18T06:58:25Z")
I try to see it from both sides. But since you can only be a virgin once, even when I run the NPE, I have the advantage. As much as I try to see it from the new players viewpoint, but when I started, it was a hard game. Making it to easy seems to have become the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/120 "2021-07-18T06:58:46Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Wake the hell up. Language, please, this is a public forum. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/121 "2021-07-18T07:00:16Z")
The understatement of this thd! ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/122 "2021-07-18T07:00:21Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > I really want most is things like pop ups at undock to remind people that all of EVE is a PVP area Can we get the popup at login as well? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/123 "2021-07-18T07:05:13Z")
> **[You're not alone, no one reads terms of service agreements](https://www.businessinsider.com/deloitte-study-91-percent-agree-terms-of-service-without-reading-2017-11)** > > For younger people, ages 18-34 a whopping 97% of people agree to service agreement conditions without reading them. (TLDR: people generally don’t read “click-through” warning text) > **[The Following News Release Contains Potentially Disturbing Content: Trigger...](https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/releases/trigger-warnings-fail-to-help.html)** > > New research confirms trigger warnings have little or no benefit. (TLDR: warning messages for prior victims of some sort, which actually do get read, actually do more harm than good) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273.md?page=7)