# Understanding and Dealing with Ganks and Gankers **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [July 17, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273 "2021-07-17T17:22:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/124 "2021-07-18T07:05:50Z")
There could be an extra popup whenever you activate a mining laser. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/125 "2021-07-18T07:06:14Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > All you had to do was say that it’s a misquote, and that you’re not actually against it. Now I can remove your name from my prior post. No, you outright lied and even insisted that it was true after I said it wasn’t. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Are you saying that you’re fine with a rookie venturing out into low-sec and losing their barge or exploration frigate to pirates? What about 10-billion-ISK marauders or even more expensive freighters piloted by null-sec alts getting killed during suicide-ganks in high-sec? Like I said earlier, there’s a big difference between non-consensual PvP and High Sec Suicide ganking which you won’t acknowledge. Those who aren’t actively looking for a PvP encounter and travel / operate in Low, Null or W-hole space should expect to be involved in non-consensual PvP… and too bad for them if it does happen. The victims of High Sec Suicide Ganking is totally different and those who actively engage in it should be subject to a 3-strike rule, after which then be branded as a habitual criminal with KoS status in High Sec space. Now stop dragging me back into this convo. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/126 "2021-07-18T07:06:33Z")
“Are you _sure_ you want to do this? What are you even doing with your life? If you hit yes, there’s a not insignificant chance your ship will self-destruct in protest.” ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/127 "2021-07-18T07:06:53Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > The victims of High Sec Suicide Ganking is totally different Why? CCP allows ganking in HIghsec. It’s part of the game. Crying about it doesn’t change anything. You should probably accept reality. When I was a new player, I recognized this on my first day, and I thought about it and decided, “Ok, that’s cool, I think I’ll start shooting miners too.” Why not? It’s fun. What’s the problem here? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/128 "2021-07-18T07:08:31Z")
You’re the only one crying about it. Now sod off already… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/129 "2021-07-18T07:09:18Z")
Right, I’m crying about the fact that ganking is allowed. 😭 I’m so sad about it. Boohoo. Hat social path gunker greefs. Yep. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/130 "2021-07-18T07:10:25Z")
I think I see what my error was. I attributed the desire for removal of non-consensual PvP to DMC, whereas instead I should have attributed to DMC a lack of concern for new players getting blown up _outside_ of high-sec, but insistence on making bloated PvE farmers and/or their hauler alts as safe as possible _in_ high-sec. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/131 "2021-07-18T07:11:02Z")
Ahhhhh, yes, non-consensual PvP for other people is ok… it’s only when it affects him, that’s when he doesn’t like it. Now I understand. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/132 "2021-07-18T07:14:07Z")
I think Safety. needs to look into the possibility of adopting a new policy: not ganking any miner under, say, 3 months old, and waiting for them to get into big, expensive barges to gank them _then_. That way they will be much more receptive to the lesson that PvP can happen anywhere, and would be much better able to recover from their loss and adapt to this knowledge. Besides Aiko, having a kill board that’s 98% trial-account Ventures in 1.0 space just looks bad. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/133 "2021-07-18T07:17:36Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > The victims of High Sec Suicide Ganking is totally different and those who actively engage in it should be subject to a 3-strike rule, after which then be branded as a habitual criminal with KoS status in High Sec space. Oh, I forgot to mention: it pretty much takes only 3 (sometimes 4) suicide ganks to become an outlaw. The one person I suicide-ganked over the past year (an AFK Hulk with about 1B worth of gear) took my character from 0.00 to -1.92. So what you want is already in the game anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/134 "2021-07-18T07:18:20Z")
Actually, when I’m feeling a little evil, I will refrain from ganking Ventures… this way they feel safe and decide to get a bigger ship. I even ignore retrievers from time to time. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/135 "2021-07-18T07:21:28Z")
I used to call that tactic the sucker punch! ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/136 "2021-07-18T07:22:31Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Actually, when I’m feeling a little evil, I will refrain from ganking Ventures… this way they feel safe and decide to get a bigger ship. I even ignore retrievers from time to time. ![2114209292](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/c/1/8c1bff7614e9aaca2dd594f01b682bc83ffe58d2.jpeg) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/f/2/9f2f0cd8541da2b9fa37b729a6d38b4dc02362e4.jpeg) 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/137 "2021-07-18T07:23:51Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > > > That some gankers are helpful is true. But its also true that some are griefers. > > I have to disagree, I don’t know any gankers that are griefers. I’d say it’s the friendliest group of people in the game. So for new people reading this Aiko is a griefer ganker type , she will scam you if she can , She is the Bandit Outlaw and self-proclaimed princess of the gankers. 90% of what she says will be a lie and you don’t have to take my word for it , just read her blog. It’s all there. On the other hand many in this post are in fact trying to help new and uninformed players . It’s up to you to pick who’s advice you take 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/138 "2021-07-18T07:37:53Z")
Githany calls me a liar, yet urges people to read my blog to learn the truth. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/139 "2021-07-18T07:43:54Z")
If they want to learn about ganking then it seems obvious to read your blog . Also watch some ganker streamers to see how involved the whole process of ganking is, being informed will allow for your survival. Warning her blog can be harsh and inhuman at times. Viewers discretion advised ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/140 "2021-07-18T07:44:12Z")
Did you just deny my humanity? ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/141 "2021-07-18T08:04:51Z")
Of your blog ,yes ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/142 "2021-07-18T08:05:12Z")
You silly, it’s a blog, it’s not a person! ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273/143 "2021-07-18T10:32:35Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I think I see what my error was. I attributed the desire for removal of non-consensual PvP to DMC, whereas instead I should have attributed to DMC a lack of concern for new players getting blown up _outside_ of high-sec, but insistence on making bloated PvE farmers and/or their hauler alts as safe as possible _in_ high-sec. Heh, I never said anything about making PvE farmers or Hauler alts being as safe as possible in High Sec. You’re definitely a trollish little pudknocker. Don’t know what your obsession is with posting lies about me but it makes you look very immature. Seriously, grow the F up already. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > > > The victims of High Sec Suicide Ganking is totally different and those who actively engage in it should be subject to a 3-strike rule, after which then be branded as a habitual criminal with KoS status in High Sec space. > > Oh, I forgot to mention: it pretty much takes only 3 (sometimes 4) suicide ganks to become an outlaw. The one person I suicide-ganked over the past year (an AFK Hulk with about 1B worth of gear) took my character from 0.00 to -1.92. > > So what you want is already in the game anyway. Gawd, you seriously have a problem with reading comprehension. Which part about being branded as a Habitual Criminal with KoS status in High Sec space did you not understand? Maybe you don’t understand what habitual means. ha·bit·u·al /həˈbiCH(o͞o)əl/ _adjective_ 1. done or doing constantly or as a habit. “this pattern of behavior can become habitual” Similar: constant, persistent, continual, continuous, perpetual, nonstop, recurrent, repeated, frequent, interminable, incessant, ceaseless, endless, relentless, unrelenting, never-ending, unremitting, sustained, unabating, eternal [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/understanding-and-dealing-with-ganks-and-gankers/320273.md?page=8)