# Unfair Loss in Highsec – Overpowered Drifters at NPC Station (Stoure 0.7) **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve\ **Created:** [May 28, 2025, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736 "2025-05-28T13:42:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/163 "2025-05-31T04:00:26Z")
Maybe your point wasn’t very good then. What was it again? That “some people hunt them for the loot and don’t want to be attacked by others”? Which they _still could_ if the engagement would be designed a bit more balanced so others aren’t doomsdayed in properly fitted ships for just shooting at a random red NPC cruiser on a HS gate? So, maybe I havent _ignored_ your point, but refuted it? ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/164 "2025-05-31T04:04:37Z")
Since you asked me to repeat myself finally. > [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > the ones in high sec are training ones. > [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > They drop items needed for drugs and entosis links, and from time to time have lore puzzle bits. > [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > Where else can you engage them without players also attacking you? You ignored the training part. The engagement is easier than the ones found in Pochven and Drifter Hives. It IS balanced. New players can ignore them, (there are plenty of warning signs), people who want a challenge can challenge themselves, and idiots can get their ships exploded. Everyone wins. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/165 "2025-05-31T04:05:51Z")
Guys, slow down… I can barely keep up! ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/166 "2025-05-31T04:06:38Z")
And all of that could _still be done_ if the mechanic is changed in a way that unsuspicious casual players won’t get doomsdayed any more for shooting at some red NPC cruisers at a HS gate. _NOTHING_ would change for your “training purposes”. Argument refuted. Move on. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/167 "2025-05-31T04:10:15Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > I personally believe they shouldn’t be in HS You want them removed from high sec. That’s all I’ve seen of what you want to be changed. Absolutely _nowhere_ in High sec do cruisers spawn (on gates/stations) that you can safely kill. This is just a false assumption by you. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/168 "2025-05-31T04:12:51Z")
They can be in high-sec - they just shouldn’t be so over-the-top. Couldn’t we have toned down Triglavian/Edencom/Drifters in high-sec? No insta-blap, no doomsday? ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/169 "2025-05-31T04:15:14Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > They can be in high-sec - they just shouldn’t be so over-the-top. They _are_ toned down for high sec fully 1/5th of the damage of Hikanta. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/170 "2025-05-31T04:16:07Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > You want them removed from high sec. That’s all I’ve seen of what you want to be changed. Weren’t you the guy that claimed “wording is utmost important”? Don’t you get the hint why I _explcitly_ wrote “I **personally believe** ” instead of “I want them removed”? I can believe A) and still accept that A) isn’t the best solution for a problem in the bigger picture. And you have _intentionally_ (???) missed all the hints that I would actually accept a _redesign_ instead of a _removal from HighSec_? Did you? Then please follow the discussion if you want to participate further. > [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > Absolutely _nowhere_ in High sec do cruisers spawn (on gates/stations) that you can safely kill. This is just a false assumption by you. In a properly fitted ship you can engage 99.99% of all cruisers in HS and expect to win. Which is why an average guy can be expected to not worry too much when shooting at a Lancer which has the exact same symbol in his overview. And then be frustrated if the Reinforcements appear out of the blue and _doomsday_ him out of the ship once he fights back. And rightly so. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/171 "2025-05-31T04:18:01Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > In a properly fitted ship you can engage 99.99% of all cruisers in HS and expect to win. I stated on Gates/Stations, so any properly fit ship can take on EDENCOM, Trig, Diamond, Drifter/Sleeper, and Sansha Incursion cruisers you say? ---
**Author:** ![Reuben\_Orlenard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/reuben_orlenard/32/388432_2.png) [@Reuben\_Orlenard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Reuben_Orlenard)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/172 "2025-05-31T04:18:30Z")
I do think this is a little where the argument AGAINST the ships come in. If a player is whittling down an Overshield, doing somewhere in 200-300 DPS (New bro considered) of 800K EHP. BEFORE a threat response is made. Then the player deserved being punched in the mouth. It’s the aggression timer that breaks down for me. That because in my last play session, I goofed up, that next time they see me I’ll be aggressed. If that’s within the same 24 hour period. Then I’m fine with that. “This ship looks like the last one that got me.”. If it’s say, 3 days+, that’s unreasonable. I might forget in that time. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/173 "2025-05-31T04:22:57Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > They _are_ toned down for high sec fully 1/5th of the damage of Hikanta. 750k doomsday damage isn’t exactly “toned down”. Pretty sure the doomsday is the same on all drifters, so saying it does less DPS than the wormhole variant doesn’t change the fact it’s too much for high-sec. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/174 "2025-05-31T04:24:20Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > 750k doomsday damage isn’t exactly “toned down”. Pretty sure the doomsday is the same on all drifters, so saying it does less DPS than the wormhole variant doesn’t change the fact it’s too much for high-sec. It is though, it is much less. I thought they were only 400k for Cassandra. Hikanta is 2.5M. The point is to dodge it though. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/175 "2025-05-31T04:28:01Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > I stated on Gates/Stations, so any properly fit ship can take on EDENCOM, Trig, Diamond, Drifter/Sleeper, and Sansha Incursion cruisers you say? Thats completely irrelevant, because what matters is the experience the average player has. He does encounter red marked NPC cruisers while ratting in belts, missions, arcs, anomalies… and he gets a rough feeling how strong they are. Diamond Cruisers don’t camp on gates. I have _never_ seen one there. Trig/Edencom aren’t red by default. Also you get an explicit warning message before jumping into a system of theirs. I also haven’t seen Incursion cruisers on Gates for a long long time, I assume they removed those NPC gatecamps, like they removed he Trig Gatecamps that would attack even players without standing. But all that isn’t even the point: They all don’t DOOMSDAY you if you try to fight them. 99.99% of all cruisers in HS are those in Missions, Anomalies, Epic Arcs etc… thats where the combat experience and judgement on the strength of NPC cruisers comes from. And _no average HS dude_ can even remotely expect the _completely different_ behaviour (tackle, neut, dps, doomsday) of the reinforcements the Lancers spawn. Thats the point of the whole topic. It is _counterintuitive_. _Unconstructive_. _Nonbenefitial_. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/176 "2025-05-31T04:32:41Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > It is though, it is much less. I thought they were only 400k for Cassandra. Hikanta is 2.5M. The point is to dodge it though. I was just going off EVE wiki that indicated 750k for the doomsday on Apollo and Artemis. No idea what the Casssndra lancer does. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/177 "2025-05-31T04:32:55Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > They all don’t DOOMSDAY you if you try to fight them. And drifters do. They are a threat that players should learn to deal with. A lot of people learned that the DD can just be dodged with the last event. > [@Syzygium](#): > > 99.99% of all cruisers in HS are those in Missions, Anomalies, Epic Arcs etc… thats where the combat experience and judgement on the strength of NPC cruisers comes from. And 100% of cruisers on HS gates and stations are much more deadly. This has been true for 15 years. (before which they never existed). This is just something players learn (but vets are unable to learn it seems). ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/178 "2025-05-31T04:34:52Z")
Arty and Apollo are only found on wormholes when they are in highsec. ARC is a better source for how to deal with drifters (KYBER or EDI might be too, but I’m unsure). ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/179 "2025-05-31T04:38:39Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > And drifters do. They are a threat that players should learn to deal with. Most Drifters don’t. Players attack and kill Drifters in WH space all the time. They don’t doomsday. It makes _no sense_ to have non-Doomsday Drifters in the most difficult endgame-PVE sites in WH space, but _have them_ as reinforcements for a lousy HS cruiser. It’s _counterintuitive_. _Unconstructive_. _Nonbenefitial_. > [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > And 100% of cruisers on HS gates and stations are much more deadly. This has been true for 15 years. NPC cruisers on gates in HS aren’t red in 99.99% of all cases. Thats why Players usually don’t deal with them. And the 0.01% (Lancers) that are, shouldn’t just call for _doomsday reinforcements_. Again: Please EXPLAIN why a change of the mechanic to make it more balanced, less frustrating, challenging instead of doomsdaying would be _bad for the game_. I ask again: Please answer _that simple question_. All those who want that content _would lose NOTHING_. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/180 "2025-05-31T04:46:15Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Most Drifters don’t. Players attack and kill Drifters in WH space all the time. They don’t doomsday. There are more types with doomsdays than without. Only WH and some Pochven, due to their speedy construction. Drifter Hives, Jove observatories (aka their homes) do. > [@Syzygium](#): > > NPC cruisers on gates in HS aren’t red in 99.99% of all cases. Thats why Players usually don’t deal with them. And the 0.01% (Lancers) that are, shouldn’t just call for _doomsday reinforcements_. Only EDENCOM cruisers are neutral by default, there are still all the other types. Much more than .01%. There are actually more Jove observatory systems than all the others combined. (Hundreds with Lancers, only like 70 or so for Trig and EDENCOM). > [@Syzygium](#): > > Again: Please EXPLAIN why a change of the mechanic to make it more balanced, less frustrating, challenging instead of doomsdaying would be _bad for the game_. I ask again: Please answer _that simple question_. All those who want that content _would lose NOTHING_. It already is weaker than others, making it even more is basically the same as deleting them. 1/5th as strong as the guy in Drifter Hives (for the Doomsday), you can’t get much more nerfed than that. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/181 "2025-05-31T04:46:47Z")
It’s arguably been a few years since I’ve had any serious interaction with drifters. It’s the “Cassandra” (?) NPCs that triggers the drifter battleship response with doomsday, correct? This is everywhere (high, low, null?) except wormhole space, or…? Still seams like overkill for high-sec at least (considering most players can’t tank 750k). ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2025, 4:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736/182 "2025-05-31T04:48:30Z")
Cassandra is the cruiser drifter that most often shows up. [Drifter Response Battleship | EVE Ref](https://everef.net/types/37473) is the Battleship that _can_ spawn but rarely does. This is Cassandra [https://everef.net/types/47153](https://everef.net/types/47153). It’s the same in all Jove Observatory systems. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unfair-loss-in-highsec-overpowered-drifters-at-npc-station-stoure-0-7/487736.md?page=10)