# Unrewarding Grind **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [January 17, 2023, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183 "2023-01-17T16:27:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Captain\_Phil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/captain_phil/32/439809_2.png) [@Captain\_Phil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Captain_Phil)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/41 "2023-01-26T22:30:41Z")
Of the last 40 or so covetor losses, four were in highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Ashterothi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashterothi/32/459299_2.png) [@Ashterothi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashterothi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/42 "2023-01-27T16:30:29Z")
You would be surprised… ---
**Author:** ![Dax\_O\_Nell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dax_o_nell/32/358913_2.png) [@Dax\_O\_Nell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dax_O_Nell)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/43 "2023-01-27T18:29:33Z")
If your mining R4 moons in HS you should have the need components for Reinforced carbon fiber. Build and sell that on the market and you make a better profit. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/44 "2023-01-27T19:26:28Z")
That would require going to lowsec, which is scary. ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/45 "2023-01-27T20:17:21Z")
> [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > Highsec mining is more dangerous then nullsec mining. Very not true LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/46 "2023-01-27T21:16:14Z")
More chance to be ganked in hisec than under the umbrella in null ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/47 "2023-01-27T21:27:41Z")
Only if you don’t know where to go. A little bit of work with F10 will sort you. ---
**Author:** ![Ashterothi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashterothi/32/459299_2.png) [@Ashterothi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashterothi)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/48 "2023-01-28T16:11:52Z")
RCF is actually not all that good of a step to stop at. Better to sell the LSBU and AIPS ---
**Author:** ![AkiZuki\_Lenn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akizuki_lenn/32/382815_2.png) [@AkiZuki\_Lenn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AkiZuki_Lenn)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/49 "2023-01-31T03:23:55Z")
> [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > Obtaining resources is the point of it. > Otherwise there’s no point in building an item when you can just buy it at the market, either. So you suggest people to buy omega time just to obtain resource which I already mentioned is sold cheaper in the market ? You must be joking. High sec mining is busted, you can’t have fun enjoy high sec mine as an omega not loosing money. Which in other way, encourage people to virtual box an alpha ccount for high sec mine cause you won’t earn money as omega anyway. Thats how counter productive their system is. The way they solve the virtual box problem is to discourage people to paid omega to mine high sec resource. which instead suggested people to virtual box alpha. LMAO. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/50 "2023-01-31T03:27:35Z")
Simple solution: leave highsec. ---
**Author:** ![AkiZuki\_Lenn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akizuki_lenn/32/382815_2.png) [@AkiZuki\_Lenn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AkiZuki_Lenn)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/51 "2023-01-31T03:29:19Z")
Simple solution, not playing the game. Might as well remove high sec mine since people suggest don’t touching it. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/52 "2023-01-31T03:32:31Z")
You’re not going to be able to plex your account by doing low-risk things, because people are doing higher-risk stuff and getting more value = they’re willing to pay more for PLEX and prices go up. ---
**Author:** ![AkiZuki\_Lenn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akizuki_lenn/32/382815_2.png) [@AkiZuki\_Lenn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AkiZuki_Lenn)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/53 "2023-01-31T05:09:26Z")
Because it cost somebody time to do it. Sure high risk must mean high reward but that doesn’t mean low risk should have negative reward. Even it is low risk it still cost time to do it. Thats value. Plus again, the very thing they hate, the virtual box alpha mining, is actually encouraged by them, because of how punishing it is to omega high sec mine. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/54 "2023-01-31T06:05:33Z")
You don’t have a very good grasp of economics. The price of 500 plex is always going to be a function of how much time you spend and how much risk you take while spending it. If you woke up tomorrow and every rat in highsec paid 100b when you killed it, that wouldn’t make plexing any easier beyond the initial rush of buying up now-underpriced plex. People who spend money to buy plex would want more ISK for their plex since it would be silly to spend $20 or whatever 500 plex costs for 2.5b when that’s not even close to what one highsec rat pays in this bizarro world. The only way to make it easiest to plex in highsec would be to turn up the value generated per hour until it was competitive with nullsec, but that’s bad game design to offer the best rewards in the area with the least risk. ---
**Author:** ![AkiZuki\_Lenn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akizuki_lenn/32/382815_2.png) [@AkiZuki\_Lenn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AkiZuki_Lenn)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/55 "2023-01-31T13:19:21Z")
I don’t know your economy. No really I don’t. All I know is they punish you do high sec mining as omega. Encourage people to do virtual box alpha play. ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/57 "2023-01-31T15:08:21Z")
> [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > There’s a miner in Stacmon that pays covetor users 30M isk per hour they crab with him, as long as he gets the ore, and pays out 10M extra to each miner in the fleet whenever the last rock of a belt is taken care of. That’s the income level I’d be expecting from Covetor usage in Highsec. The Stacmon mining fleet in fact pays 45M/hr + bonus instead of 30M/hr + bonus: > [@New Eden Mining \[!Get paid 45mil per hour!\] \[open to all mining fleet\] \[Make ISK!\]](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/new-eden-mining-get-paid-45mil-per-hour-open-to-all-mining-fleet-make-isk/355801): > > Get paid 45mil to Mine! Free barge to use during fleet if you need one! T1 Retriever YOU GET PAID EACH HOUR STRAIT ISK EVERY SATURDAY 20:00 EVE TIME: Stacmon Solar System How to join: Ask for fleet invite on my discord or Stacmon local. ISK Payments 45 Million ISK every hour you are in fleet with any mining barge! Bonus weekends (still going): 10mil bonus ISK every asteroid belt fully mined out Other info Will be streaming this on my twitch so you can join in by watching and ask qu… ---
**Author:** ![AkiZuki\_Lenn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akizuki_lenn/32/382815_2.png) [@AkiZuki\_Lenn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AkiZuki_Lenn)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/58 "2023-02-01T18:37:42Z")
> [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > If Veldspar is bought on the market, it’s payed for. With stupidly cheap price. So cheap player who sold them loose plex time by mining them. > [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > PLEX all my accounts from 0.5sec mining again And 0.5 sec is not high sec, its not green, there are FLEET not even drones that kill you. How is it even high sec. > [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > as long as you’re in a corps that can get a mining fleet organized. Oh is that what this game about, screwed the introvert? Can’t I just have fun solo mining while not loosing money? > [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > A VirtualBox instance needs 4GB memory actively assigned to run Windows 10/11, and for eve to perform even in the poorest settings you’ll be assigning it another gigabyte at least. Virtualbox instance doesn’t needs 4gb memory actively assigned to run on window 10/11 There are linux, I know my computer science degree. Besides its completely free other than power, but you need power to play omega any way might as well. ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/59 "2023-02-01T18:54:54Z")
> [@AkiZuki\_Lenn](#): > > With stupidly cheap price. So cheap player who sold them loose plex time by mining them. LOL imagine turning EVE into a job. Sub one account. Play for fun. Wild 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/60 "2023-02-01T19:36:52Z")
> [@AkiZuki\_Lenn](#): > > And 0.5 sec is not high sec, its not green If you dont receive a warning that you are warping to dangerous sec space, its high sec ---
**Author:** ![Moko\_Musana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moko_musana/32/373694_2.png) [@Moko\_Musana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moko_Musana)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183/61 "2023-02-01T19:41:20Z")
> [@AkiZuki\_Lenn](#): > > With stupidly cheap price It’s payed what it’s worth. 1 hour of covetor crab in 1.0 sec is 30M isk. One hour of omega subscription is around 3M isk assuming 5M isk per plex and a 30 day month. So you’re making an order of magnitude more income then you’re investing. > [@AkiZuki\_Lenn](#): > > And 0.5 sec is not high sec, its not green, there are FLEET not even drones that kill you. How is it even high sec. Most players would disagree with that definition I guess, and consider 0.5 highsec. I dunno what the formal definition of highsec is, but to me it’s the space I am not allowed to gate into with a Captital Ship, not allowed to heavy interdict people, not allowed to BLOPS, and it’s the space I get concorded for shooting miners that were not flashing before I shot at them. 0.5 fits all those criteria, even if it’s yellow. Ah, I also can’t stay in 0.5 for a prolongued time w/o some OP npcs spawning on me if my security standings are too low. In lowsec I can stay for as long as I want indepenend of security standings, and in null such a thing as security doesn’t exist to begin with. Note that Jita / Perimeter / Rens / Amarr / Dodixie, which are the most popular highsecs, aren’t green either, but blue. What is FLEET? Drones that kill you don’t exist in the game unless you either AFK, your fit is complete junk or you have a massive lack of skill. > [@AkiZuki\_Lenn](#): > > Oh is that what this game about, screwed the introvert? Can’t I just have fun solo mining while not loosing money? Define “fun”? Given you’re actively avoiding mining with others, where you could say there’s a social aspect in the mining op, you’re basically attempting to do the least interactive activity that requires undocking, and complaining the game isn’t designed to reward you for it. > [@AkiZuki\_Lenn](#): > > Virtualbox instance doesn’t needs 4gb memory actively assigned to run on window 10/11 > There are linux, I know my computer science degree. Besides its completely free other than power, but you need power to play omega any way might as well. Well, then you know that pseudo-virtualization, like VirtualBox your are proposing, is considered inefficient by any means these days, and you also know about double caching issues pseudo-virtuallization causes, although in the case of video games it’ll be tripple caching, as Texture Proxies implemented by the video drivers keep any data transmitted to the graphics card resident in CPU memory in addition to keeping it on the video card. There’s a reason we use containers these days for process isolation on Linux, or rather we were using them for a decade now on Linux, which was late to the game, as FreeBSD had it in widespread use for more then two decades now. Don’t know when Windows’ Hyper-V became “usable”, but it’s certainly not new, either. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/unrewarding-grind/392183.md?page=4)